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12 hours ago, dancater said:

Also assuming the Burning Man titles are connected (as they are with Reva and Kaeris). Then...

Ulix, Euripides, Nellie, Misaki, Parker and Maxine will somehow combo off in pairs. Thoughts?

 

Yeah, that makes the most sense for burning man related shared models too!

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Lady Justice pairs with Tara.

Tara seems, twisty in the extreme, horrible movement shenanigans. Not looking forward to the inevitable migraine from playing her.

Lady J has destructible impassable markers (ahem, the Inventor issue again, this should be the correction destructible and easier to produce). Buffs her Marshal Pine Box, likely see some heavy themed crews. I guess there was limited things to do to change up LadyJ and stay in her iconic theme, this makes her less the death machine and more the crew enhancer, which works.

Thirty-Three, god I love, love how Wyrd will joke themselves 😆, referring to the blurry pg33 of the pdf rules, they'll need to archive this page for as long as this model is in live play. As to the model itself, I hate it, it looks awesome, and its powers appear as aggravating as hell. Slippery, Incorporeal, Mv 6 Df 5 Wd 8, an aura Slow and Melee Bury. At 8 SS it is expensive but I think it may be one of the best "achieve a specific thing on a table location" in the game. I think it will be, let's say difficult to pin down. 

Overall, from this Arcanist's viewpoint they both seem to be OK. They are powerful (and should be) and different. Although honestly I've barely seen OG Tara or OG LadyJ on the table, just not around my tiny group, so not 100% certain how they compare or how evil their mechanics and crews are.

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Colette is my first love. Every preview I hope.

As to what we see. Would have been interested in a Nightmare synergy pairing, her Illusions as hideous terror inducing things, but Dreamer is done, still maybe see this with Pandora. I could even see a twisted hilarious version, bring in the clowns style, of this with Wong, sharing a model which has emerged from his three-demon bag. I'd kinda love that on a truly juvenile level.

As I've mentioned could see a pairing with Rezzers and a shared model with Seamus. This would possibly be a beat face Colette, some sort of illusion/simulacrum frenzy of stabbing maybe.

The other obvious pairing is Colette and Youko, maybe even flipping there playstyles, giving Youko a ninja/illusion style playing into a variant of the shadow markers which TT and Explorers have, for super schemes. Meanwhile Colette gets a huge control, hand pressure build, sleight of hand and fortune telling show style perhaps.

Interestingly the Viks play heavily into their old Avatar model. The Colette Avatar was three versions of her, and now we've seen Cadmus is a three master model as the title, what the rules are is unknown, but this would certainly open that option. I was not a fan of the Colette Avatar play back in the day, was fiddly. But a Colette that could create illusions of herself and then step between each illusion in some fashion and stab face would be intriguing if well thought out and balanced (which thus far most of the titles seem to be).

So far we've had Hoffman with Outcasts, Kaeris with Rezzers and Toni with Explorers.

So space for pairings between Arcanist master and a unpaired faction exist in Neverborn (note Marcus is dual), Guild (note Hoffman is dual), Mei (note TT is dual), and finally Bayou.

Does anyone think (or have I missed it already) that a dual faction master will pair with a a master in one of their factions?? I really think this is unlikely, but we'll see.  

  

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51 minutes ago, touchdown said:

The only dual faction master we've seen so far is Mama Z right? She was paired with a 3rd faction.

We've also had the box teased for Lucius who was paired with Explorers so a third faction is likely. 

 

 

15 hours ago, dancater said:

So space for pairings between Arcanist master and a unpaired faction

Though it seems logical we have no real guarantee that each faction will only be combined once with another faction. For instance Guild have been paired with Outcasts through Hoffman, and Lady J now. (Plus a third leaked box suggests another Outcast pairing). And with Lucius and Zoraida both pairing up with Explores there's arguably two Neverborn/Explorers boxes. In both cases there are some dual faction shenanigans going on but...

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5 hours ago, Nathan Sells said:
6 hours ago, touchdown said:

The only dual faction master we've seen so far is Mama Z right? She was paired with a 3rd faction.

We've also had the box teased for Lucius who was paired with Explorers so a third faction is likely. 

So far we've had

Hoffman (Arc/Guild) paired with Outcasts.

MamaZ (Bayou/NB) paired with Explorers.

Through the box Lucius (Guild/NG) also paired with Explorers.

3 hours ago, Raising said:

for marcus i think bajou with ulix if they dare to join a burning man master with a not corrupted one. 

My thoughts, I agree that it makes sense for the Burning Man corrupted to pair together, especially as this would be reflected in the shared models direction.

So Marcus' most likely options, in my opinion, are, as you say, Hamelin, Von Schtook (spoiled but unpaired, though I can't see what connection his card has to link across with Marcus), maybe Maxine in Explorers (linking to the creatures of the sea), Lucas (TT/Guild as an Explorer). That seems to be the possibles for me.

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So a lot of people, myself included expected each faction to split a box with Arcanist. We now have two explorer links.  … Unless the Marcus/Cooper box is meant to be the Neverborn/Explorer box. Then that means Lucious/Nexus will be the Guild/Explorer box … or I’m over thinking it all.

End of the day I was really hoping for a Cooper showdown, but honestly didn’t expect it. Especially after the Toni/Anya box

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5 minutes ago, Peturd said:

What three guild/outcast is confirmed? Lady J and Tara is it isn’t it? Possibly Hoffman and Shill, but that could be Arcanist outcast

Yup. Lucius and Nexus (ExSo), but as with Hoff, could be NB. Sonnia and Kirai (Resser).

Still waiting on Dashel, Dita, Basse and Nellie.

EDIT, Neverborn and ExSo seem to have the tightest bond. Lucius, Marcus and Zoraida all have ExSo buddies. Dreamer is the only one (also, the only non-dual) revealed that isn't. 

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So the Arcanist count, for those keeping score.

Done and paired we have:

  1. Charles Hoffman the Inventor paired with Outcasts (Von Schill)
  2. Marcus the Alpha paired with Explorers (Lord Cooper)
  3. Toni Ironsides Union President and the new Arcanist model the Drudge, paired with Explorers (Anya Lycarayen)
  4. Kaeris Reborn and the new Arcanist Enforcer Deacon Hillcrest, paired with Resurrectionists (Reva Cortinas)
  5. Mei Feng the Foreman paired with Bayou (Mah Tucket)

So that is two Explorer's pairings, one each of Outcast's, Bayou and Rezzers

Leaving:

  • Colette our darling Showgirl Mistress
  • Sandeep our Exotic Academic of the Mystical Arts
  • Rasputina the Dark and Twisted Mistress of the December Cult

The factions not yet paired to our Arcanist Freedom Fighters are; Neverborn (maybe Raspy with Euripides?), Guild (no obvious idea here) and Ten Thunders (I am putting money here now on Youko with Colette?).

Of course this is assuming that Arcanists pair at least once with each other Faction, which I have not heard in any way confirmed.

My big question is who pairs with Sandeep?

If it's at least one/faction then Rezzers (and Von Schtook a obvious choice) are out, so lets assume that is the case.

Sandeep with Ten Thunders and Shen Long seems the most obvious choice of the remaining three open factions.

Which then means Colette is open, and either NB (but Raspy Euripides?) or Guild, but I have nothing clearly obvious here. 

Likewise for Raspy in Guild, can't see an obvious mix here but maybe Basse as a explorer and the exiled December Cult, or if they played into Raspy at spiritual war with December perhaps something there with Perdita transitioning to warring against the Tyrants as well?? But both seem to be huge reaches.

So folks, three open Arcanist Masters; Colette, Raspy and Sandeep. Three unpaired Factions; Guild, Neverborn and Ten Thunders. Assuming that the one Arcanist pair with at least every other faction is true then... thoughts?

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7 hours ago, dancater said:

The factions not yet paired to our Arcanist Freedom Fighters are; Neverborn (maybe Raspy with Euripides?), Guild (no obvious idea here) and Ten Thunders (I am putting money here now on Youko with Colette?).

I think that's probably the most likely outcome of the currently unrevealeds.

I distinctly remember hearing talk at some point forever ago, of a model being developed that could act as an Ice Pillar (like how Dispatcher works as a Scheme Marker, etc). So Raspy could blast through him, and Euripedes could do his stuff. Either an ice construct, or another variation on a Wendigo? If so, that'd be the obvious dual keyword model.

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But Sandeep, what has the Arcane Mentor and Master Elementalist been doing and how, more importantly who, does that connect with?????

If the Raspy/Euripides (taking NB) is a lock and if we assume Colette/Youko (so TT). Then the only connection absent for the Arcanists is the despised Guild oppressors. Again assuming that Arcanists connect with every other faction.

Looking at Guild (Sonnia, Justice and Lucius are all gone [and Hoff but that was a null]) we, currently, would have Nellie, Perdita, Basse and Dashal. I simply cannot see Dashal at all, honestly don't see much, if anything, for Perdita and Nellie, I guess Basse would be most likely, but that's based on the absence of other apparently viable options.

  1. So either we see Colette or Raspy go to a viable option that isn't the obvious we've mentioned above, or;
  2. We see Sandeep go in a weird unintuitive Guild partnership, or;
  3. I'm wrong and Wyrd do not match each of the Factions with Arcanists, thus freeing Sandeep to go anywhere that makes sense, hello Von Schtook, you're back in class, or;
  4. There is an extremely unlikely (based on the pattern evidence) that not every Master partners up with another and a shared cross-keyword model. There is evidence of this the Sonnia/Kirai box has no cross-keyword model, we may not see one and Von Schtook was a solo reveal, perhaps he simply isn't partnered and a limited number of other Master titles are likewise not as closely linked as we, or at least I, thought.

Honestly of those options I simply think that option 1 is the most likely, I'm wrong on Raspy or Colette, one of them partners with Guild, somehow, and Sandeep has options in TT or NB.

It's certainly fun to speculate.

So here is a right field throw.

  • Raspy/Euripides remains, this seems to simply be sensible and some tenuous rumours support it.
  • Sandeep pairs into TT and Shen Long, with the two ascetic masters sharing cross-keyword play.
  • Colette, a primary schemer in OG and entertainer, pairs with Guild in Nellie, her OG is also heavy scheme, so a shared keyword model could play into moving both masters away from the scheme-theme and into the alternate title based play. From a theme point of view Colette and the Star Theatre quells the masses, entertains the hordes and promotes a quiet agenda. Similarly to the more blatant propaganda but salacious entertainment provided by Nellie and her news rags. I could imagine writing a short story linking them as either reluctant allies forced out of the office to fight or as enemies entering the street in a more direct form of battle over hearts and minds in Malifaux.

So there is my, slightly, crazy idea. Which would be a little sad, I adore Colette and Youko is intriguing, so I'd love that pairing; but I simply don't like Nellie and her propagandist theme much. So I'd rather I was wrong honestly. But this also fits with a trend I've noticed where the titles of masters are flipping my favourite calculation, mostly my preferred OG-Master and crew combos are my less liked Title and crew combo play and vice versa. So Colette-Title and pairing being less, or the least, desirable makes sense on that trend as well 😒 

 

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2 hours ago, Jordon said:

Sandeep and Basse with the connecting model being a "Dust Devil" aka Wind Golem?

Ooooo, I like this, that could be a bit of a winner. 

But another thought as to why Basse is unlikely with any of our remaining three. The result would be three links between Arcanist and Explorer masters (Anya, Basse and Cooper). I think that may be another issue as it would only leave five other Explorer master options to form a partnership with the other six factions, so that math won't work. 

I'm increasingly thinking Wyrd would have severely limited themselves if every faction had to have a title connection with a master in every other faction. I'm not saying that won't be the case, it is a cool idea, but if so somewhere a compromise would need to be made, either in not linking a faction or in a less intuitive connection to preserve those links.

Still this is a truly excellent idea. I'd love to see a Wind Golem or Poison Golem (a Bayou post on this idea postulated Brewmaster, but we've got a Bayou partnership already), but what/who would fit this?

3 hours ago, HomelessOne said:

Yep, the Burning Man cult. Assuming (again) those cult masters pair off in some fashion that sinks that idea I had.

Frankly I'm stumped. Simply can't see an intuitive link between our three remaining untitled masters and the three factions (and their available untitled masters) which makes intuitive sense. 

One way or another Wyrd will have to surprise me I guess.

 

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