Popular Post Kyle Posted February 10, 2021 Popular Post Report Share Posted February 10, 2021 Hey Wyrdos, This week, Waldo decided to make the best of the cold weather by trying out a new hobby: snowboarding! As soon as we explained that Georgia hasn’t gotten any snow this year, the idea went downhill real fast. So, while Waldo hits the slopes, let’s take a detailed look at a Malifaux Starter Box! For Malifaux Third Edition, one of our design goals was to make sure that the game was easy to get into for new and returning players alike. We are continuing that trend by releasing a Starter Box for each Faction, starting with the Explorer’s Society. Each Starter Box will include Versatile characters (and at least one Versatile Henchman) that can be used with any crew in that Faction. A Starter Box can get players immediately playing Henchman Hardcore, or can be treated as a strong foundation to start building a crew for a 50 Soulstone game. Models included in each Starter Box will come preassembled so you can start playing as soon as you open up the box. For the Explorer’s Society, players will have access to: Mr. Ngaatoro, a hard-hitting Henchman with a few tricks up his sleeve; Tannenbaum, a Versatile (and Seeker) Enforcer with the unique ability to Rewrite the Story, which allows him to replace a Scheme that isn’t going as planned; and two Hopeful Prospects, who are Versatile Minions that can adapt to almost any situation after getting a lucky shot on their opponent. But to get started in Malifaux, we know that it takes more than just putting models on the table. In each Starter Box, we are including their stat cards, 2 copies of each Explorer’s Society General Upgrade, a brand new Fate Deck, a measuring widget, and a handful of 30mm tokens, all of which are themed to that Starter Box’s Faction. Let’s take a look at the widget and Fate Deck that will be included with the Explorer’s Society Starter Box: The measuring widget will have sides for just about everything you’ll need to move or draw range, as well as a 50mm indent to help with Blasts. Each Starter Box will also have a unique Fate Deck styled with that Faction’s colors and characters. These Fate Decks won’t be available anywhere else! The Explorer’s Society Starter Box will be hitting local store shelves in May for only $45. If you won’t be joining up with the Explorer’s Society, don’t worry – every Faction will eventually get their own Starter Box. We’ll have news on the Bayou and Outcast Starter boxes soon! That’s it from us! 20 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikshe Posted February 10, 2021 Report Share Posted February 10, 2021 Well, sold! What will we see for the Guild and Ressers (oh, I wrote saw some idea for them 😄) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddywhack Posted February 10, 2021 Report Share Posted February 10, 2021 Sweet! Are the tokens plastic or something else? My widget just broke too, so I need a new one. Though no incremental inch marks? tsk, tsk.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle Posted February 10, 2021 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2021 22 minutes ago, Paddywhack said: Sweet! Are the tokens plastic or something else? Both the tokens and the widget are made out of a high quality punch board. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEV Posted February 10, 2021 Report Share Posted February 10, 2021 Will the models be available through your special orders program? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle Posted February 10, 2021 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2021 10 minutes ago, SEV said: Will the models be available through your special orders program? The Special Order program is specifically for new models that have been packaged with old models. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrPieChee Posted February 10, 2021 Report Share Posted February 10, 2021 Anyone else a little sad they come preassembled? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddywhack Posted February 10, 2021 Report Share Posted February 10, 2021 7 minutes ago, MrPieChee said: Anyone else a little sad they come preassembled? Nope. I don't necessarily want all models preassembled, but things like this I'm fine. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShinChan Posted February 10, 2021 Report Share Posted February 10, 2021 48 minutes ago, MrPieChee said: Anyone else a little sad they come preassembled? I definitely prefer to assemble them myself, specially after seeing the improvement in the matrix of new M3E models, but I understand why in a starter box they come preassembled. I think it's nice that a new player can just go to the store, buy that box and start playing right away a Henchman Hardcore game 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muraki Posted February 10, 2021 Report Share Posted February 10, 2021 1 minute ago, ShinChan said: 51 minutes ago, MrPieChee said: Anyone else a little sad they come preassembled? I definitely prefer to assemble them myself, specially after seeing the improvement in the matrix of new M3E models, but I understand why in a starter box they come preassembled. I think it's nice that a new player can just go to the store, buy that box and start playing right away a Henchman Hardcore game Yep agreed. M3e sculps have been getting really really cool (and really hard to paint cause they're so cool) and I enjoy assembling them (otherwise i would of left years ago), but man from a person selling the game to someone who's a bit iffy on wargames, pre-assembled will be amazing to get them in the door or to do a quick demo / prizes. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the tick Posted February 10, 2021 Report Share Posted February 10, 2021 2 hours ago, MrPieChee said: Anyone else a little sad they come preassembled? I am very disappointed. Certainly probably a pipe dream but I hope these models make their way into the normal Malifaux plastics. In my mind the preassembled models are a solution looking for a problem. The folks doing the assembly will never do the work with the care and precision that I want and I'll be proxying or converting all the models that come this way. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marius Posted February 10, 2021 Report Share Posted February 10, 2021 This looks really good. Well thought out and considered. I assume that they will be all new models for the other factions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevinsmith101 Posted February 11, 2021 Report Share Posted February 11, 2021 Will the generalist upgrade cards for the explorers faction only be available in this box? And with other factions will it be their existing upgrade cards or new ones? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrPieChee Posted February 11, 2021 Report Share Posted February 11, 2021 9 hours ago, the tick said: I am very disappointed. Certainly probably a pipe dream but I hope these models make their way into the normal Malifaux plastics. In my mind the preassembled models are a solution looking for a problem. The folks doing the assembly will never do the work with the care and precision that I want and I'll be proxying or converting all the models that come this way. Exactly this - at $55 for 4 models the assembly has to be perfect, and I've not seen that with preassembled models. One piece and preassembled are completely different beasts. It'll be great to see more versatile's for all the factions, and this looks to be great content, but pvc and cardboard don't say $55 to me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maladroit Posted February 11, 2021 Report Share Posted February 11, 2021 I'm not sold on the preassembly either. I can't say I'm not personally disappointed. Unfortunately my experience with TOS models has not been great - this is far from the only badly assembled model I have. I didn't want to get replacements from Wyrd, even though I'm sure that would have been fine so I just cut and filled them myself and swore off buying any more. I can totally see the point of preassembly to help newer hobbyists, not just new to Malifaux players, but personally I'd rather have the control over my modelling. If there was some way of simply deconstructing them without damaging the PVC I'd be fine with that. TOS preassembled.mp4 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chou Posted February 12, 2021 Report Share Posted February 12, 2021 I usually prefer building my own models, but after checking the quality of the latest preassembled models (the Pandora alt. crew and the Fat Cap) I don't mind these models being already assembled. Comparing my models from TOS against these latest preassembled model the increase in quality has been so good that I will buy these starters without any doubt. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Math Mathonwy Posted February 15, 2021 Report Share Posted February 15, 2021 I, too, would've preferred them as normal Faux minis instead of PVC. The price tag is also somewhat high. English Ivan box (to pick a random example from the upcoming page) is the same cost and comes with seven minis instead of four and they aren't PVC. I already have enough Fate decks (so happy I didn't buy the latest faction fate decks!) and since I play multiple Factions and these are Versatiles it's a hefty price increase for inferior product. The widget is cool but again, I don't need several of them. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
touchdown Posted February 15, 2021 Report Share Posted February 15, 2021 10 hours ago, Math Mathonwy said: I, too, would've preferred them as normal Faux minis instead of PVC. The price tag is also somewhat high. English Ivan box (to pick a random example from the upcoming page) is the same cost and comes with seven minis instead of four and they aren't PVC. I already have enough Fate decks (so happy I didn't buy the latest faction fate decks!) and since I play multiple Factions and these are Versatiles it's a hefty price increase for inferior product. The widget is cool but again, I don't need several of them. that's kind of unavoidable with a starter box and existing players right? You don't need the deck, tokens, measuring tools, but a new player does. They either have to have 2 boxes with the models and thus overall higher costs or us existing players have to buy stuff we don't need for the models. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShinChan Posted February 15, 2021 Report Share Posted February 15, 2021 54 minutes ago, touchdown said: that's kind of unavoidable with a starter box and existing players right? You don't need the deck, tokens, measuring tools, but a new player does. They either have to have 2 boxes with the models and thus overall higher costs or us existing players have to buy stuff we don't need for the models. That's true, however 55$ (before tax) is an expensive price for what it comes in the box. Usually, starting box (or start collecting boxes, pun intended) should have a more attractive price... That price is terrible to attract new players. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muraki Posted February 15, 2021 Report Share Posted February 15, 2021 1 hour ago, touchdown said: 12 hours ago, Math Mathonwy said: I, too, would've preferred them as normal Faux minis instead of PVC. The price tag is also somewhat high. English Ivan box (to pick a random example from the upcoming page) is the same cost and comes with seven minis instead of four and they aren't PVC. I already have enough Fate decks (so happy I didn't buy the latest faction fate decks!) and since I play multiple Factions and these are Versatiles it's a hefty price increase for inferior product. The widget is cool but again, I don't need several of them. that's kind of unavoidable with a starter box and existing players right? You don't need the deck, tokens, measuring tools, but a new player does. They either have to have 2 boxes with the models and thus overall higher costs or us existing players have to buy stuff we don't need for the models. Agreed. Yes I don't need any more fate decks (i totally have 30+ at this point) and unless I'm getting cool acrylic tokens I'll keep using the other ones I have, but even tho I'm not going to use em, I think it's a good idea to have starters be ... well... starters. I just hope they include something similar to the quick startup rules in the M2e starter box, cause I know those rules were part of the reason I bought them (not saying they were great, but is nice to have a 'you just bought into a intricate system, breath it'll be ok' bootstrap course). I know it's a bit frustrating as a long time player who only does 50 stone games to be like 'why am i paying for stuff I won't use', but as a new player I did use it. I still use the NB starter deck (even after buying every other new deck I could find) and I used the measuring tape until it broke (and it totally made me a tape only guy even after buying nice acrylic widgets), so I've definitely gotten my money's worth out of the old starter box. As for price, the half blood box is 45 (tho it has an extra tuco model), one flew over is 35 (but it is four 30mm models), these starters are 55. Considering that a fate deck is MRSP 13-15, it puts these in the 48 - 60 dollar range if we used the old m2e starter models(depending on which you start at and how the decks cost), so 55 sits in the center. I know it feels a bit expensive, but we haven't seen anything about the other boxes. So yes, the explorers box is a 40mm and three 30mm modes, but what if another faction gets 4 50mm models (cmon chonky guild models!)? If I were wyrd I'd go for the same price on all starters, and if that's the case, it'll prolly end up that a couple end up feeling a bit pricier and others cheaper for how much plastic you get. I also doubt the profit margin is all that great on these but I'll never know that. Talking about Staters does remind me about how much my mentality towards this game has changed since I started. Starting out I was very '50 stones or why bother' but after doing demo games / etc, I'm happy to field any amount of models from a psueto starter to HH to 35 stones (I think i played a 38 stone game a few weeks ago, ha). So I'm not viewing these as just '4 more models for me to put in my faction' if they're truely good HH crews / good for learning, I'll use em in demo games (instead of having to figure something out on the fly) and give the decks/tokens to players who need/want em or use em for prizes. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Math Mathonwy Posted February 16, 2021 Report Share Posted February 16, 2021 18 hours ago, muraki said: As for price, the half blood box is 45 (tho it has an extra tuco model), one flew over is 35 (but it is four 30mm models), these starters are 55. Considering that a fate deck is MRSP 13-15, it puts these in the 48 - 60 dollar range if we used the old m2e starter models(depending on which you start at and how the decks cost), so 55 sits in the center. I know it feels a bit expensive, but we haven't seen anything about the other boxes. So yes, the explorers box is a 40mm and three 30mm modes, but what if another faction gets 4 50mm models (cmon chonky guild models!)? If I were wyrd I'd go for the same price on all starters, and if that's the case, it'll prolly end up that a couple end up feeling a bit pricier and others cheaper for how much plastic you get. I also doubt the profit margin is all that great on these but I'll never know that. If the Gremlins are all mounted, they are probably bigger, yeah. But the Outcasts box seemed to have just normal-sized people in it so it remains to be seen which one is the "standard". But really, I think that 55 bucks for a fate deck, four PVC minis and some cardboard tokens is kinda hefty and IME product billed as starter sets are usually the most competitive pricing-wise. Carnevale starter set (to pick another skirmish game) is £65 but it has 16 minis (one-piece resin), a 240-page rulebook, a whole cardboard battlefield with 8 buildings and 9 tiles as well as dice and templates and so on. Two of these Faux starters absolutely pales in comparison and is 20% more expensive to boot. Now, I do naturally realize that Malifaux is one of the most expensive skirmish games so the comparison isn't very fair but even within the framework of Malifaux I feel that the starter sets are kinda expensive. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harlekin Posted February 16, 2021 Report Share Posted February 16, 2021 I am mainly an Infinity player outside of Malifaux and I am even one of the long time Warcors there, and I defenitely second the weird pricing for a so-called starter set. A one-on-one comparison to the Infinity starter boxes shows: - Infinity: 2-player starter boxes included a paper mat, enough card board terrain for said mat, dice, tokens, measuring tools, introductionary rules booklet, 14 high detailed metal miniatures (7 for each faction/player, including 2 limited models) for 110€. Compared to regular prices, that results in a player paying for two typical faction starters (2x 6 miniatures) and getting everything else on top. So, it was a real steal. Those boxes were a huge success, by the way. - Malifaux: see above So, yes, it's no price I would see fit for a beginner's set and it's not really attractive for fans. But let's be honest, most of us will most likely buy it anyways, as the miniatures will be great and the game certainly is. About Malifaux in general: it might be expensive on a per miniature perspective but compared to anything GW or PP it's still rather cheap. I really hope that Wyrd doesn't (have to) go over the top. As soon as things are getting too expensive the whole thing can easily crumble to nothing (see PP). 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Math Mathonwy Posted April 20, 2021 Report Share Posted April 20, 2021 Wayland Games has the Bayou Starter up for preorder (only 100 days until release!) and it's 60 euros. The other two starters are 43 euros each. Comparing the Bayou starter to Euripides Master box (the most expensive Master box) it's 60 euros vs 55 euros and you get 4 PVC minis on 40mm bases as opposed to getting five minis on 50mm bases and one on a 30mm base with them being proper plastic to boot. Yeah, you get the deck and the cardboard widget. It seems that we are actually paying more for PVC minis than for the proper multi-part minis which is rather sad, really 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEV Posted April 20, 2021 Report Share Posted April 20, 2021 Maybe it's the exchange rate between guild money and gremlins money that screw us... Seruously, this is disappointing as those boxes are usually a way to get in to the game... Since they're more expensive than a core box. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddywhack Posted April 20, 2021 Report Share Posted April 20, 2021 That's got 6 hours ago, Math Mathonwy said: Wayland Games has the Bayou Starter up for preorder (only 100 days until release!) and it's 60 euros. The other two starters are 43 euros each. Comparing the Bayou starter to Euripides Master box (the most expensive Master box) it's 60 euros vs 55 euros and you get 4 PVC minis on 40mm bases as opposed to getting five minis on 50mm bases and one on a 30mm base with them being proper plastic to boot. Yeah, you get the deck and the cardboard widget. It seems that we are actually paying more for PVC minis than for the proper multi-part minis which is rather sad, really That's got to be a mistake? The other Starter boxes on Wayland are listed at $55 retail. The Bayou box is only listed as $45 retail on Miniature Market. https://www.miniaturemarket.com/wyr23635.html. Even with exchange rates and shipping, etc. that seems like a steep mark up on just that one box. I'm guessing someone messed up the price on Wayland's page? Why would that one box be that much more expensive than the other starter boxes? They all have to get shipped. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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