Regelridderen Posted January 8, 2021 Report Share Posted January 8, 2021 I want Lucius to work for me, but he doesn’t. So I’d love some inspiration for fielding him. So the idea of this tread is to post a list - with a few pointers on how you make it work and when. - Here’s one to start with. Lucius, Scribe, Candy. Agent 46, Doppleganger, Guild Lawyer, 2 False Witness, 8 stones. The mimics copy Candy or the Lawyers Obeys, while the Witness hand out Adversary, Distraction and denying Cheats. Increasing the efficiency of the others - and Candy makes a mess of everything. I can’t wait to try it out, once the plague has lifted. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extremor Posted January 9, 2021 Report Share Posted January 9, 2021 Oh yeah, Lucius is a hard one. I'm not suited for the "obey your opponent" style, since I cant wrap my head around it in the midst of a game. Therefor I came to use Lucius in different kind of ways. One (obvious) way is the "shift of AP" in which I use the AP of Lucius, Lawyer, Changeling and sometimes Vasilisa or Agent 46 to activate another model - preferably a minion-beater, agent 46, alan reid or angel eyes to stomp someone. Of course coordinated attack can be used this way, too. In the following core-list I tend to use Lucius as a "little" devilish puppet master for collodi is DMH. Its a core-list since ther are 19 SS left to adapt to strat and schemes. I used this core in a campaign, in which no OOK models were allowed (so no BBS builds)... it performed well. Lucius, Scribe, Agent 46, Alan Reid, Vasilisa, 2x Wicked Doll +19 SS left This list consists of models that can hit (agent, alan), interrupt (alan, scribe) and move (vasilisa&dolls). If needed, Vasilisa can change this list to a beaty one killing the dolls and summoning stiched together. By increasing the carddraw (add a Changeling/a Lawyer) Vasilisa can summon Stiched very easily (alan can one-hit a staggered doll if needed). Vasilisa can use staggered as well as Alan and the Dolls. Adding a Changeling is also awesome to "just like you" the issue command and let agent 46 occasionaly mimic "just like you" which most oponents dont have in mind and which made me score in several games. Yes - I know - this isn't the awesome, astonishing brand new idea no ever had before... It's kind of obvious BUT this list really has potential IF played well- it took me a lot of games to get to know the possibilities and combinations of Lucius and his keyword and another several matches to really understand and play the list above. It's a flexible list - not a "one trick pony" and should be played this way. And furthermore this list plays different depending on how you spend the 19SS... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regelridderen Posted January 9, 2021 Author Report Share Posted January 9, 2021 3 hours ago, extremor said: Yes - I know - this isn't the awesome, astonishing brand new idea no ever had before... And that’s not the point of this thread either Its just to get inspiration on how to do a Lucius list Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corwin Posted January 9, 2021 Report Share Posted January 9, 2021 I play Lucius most of my games, most of my lists start with 2 changelings with AP, a lawyer. If there is anything kill related in the SS I'll bring a mature Nephilim with IR. I usually take Agent 46 and/or the doppelganger depending on what is needed. Turn one usually is buffing and moving my big guys, like the mature, 46, or dopple. I love to charge with the mature last activation of turn one and kill something or at least get engaged. With all of the card draw in the crew I often have 2+ severes in my hand by the end of the turn so you can get Obey off if you need to. I am a big fan of hidden sniper though I like it better in guild with Expert Marksman. The trick I have found with him is learning how to sculpt your hand with the cards you drew. So far he is the only master I have taken with no stones and it worked out fine that game. I've played through a first hand dozens of time to figure out how I would react with what I drew. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extremor Posted January 10, 2021 Report Share Posted January 10, 2021 Ok next one. Same campaign. So no ook! this Build would be better fielding a BBS performing his blasphemous rituals giving angel eyes more focus. The false witness handing out adversary to angel eyes so you get obeying her. Agent 46 mimics the gun. Lucius Eyes (Neverborn) Size: 50 - Pool: 9 Leader: Lucius Mattheson Totem(s): The Scribe Hires: Angel Eyes Agent 46 Alan Reid Guild Lawyer 2 False Witness 3 Changeling 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extremor Posted February 4, 2021 Report Share Posted February 4, 2021 And a next one: this time with mature OOK to stomp on enemy models. Also agent 46 and serena to add some punch. Serena healing and misplace in essential situations. changelings adding AP swap to buff the mature and agent with lots of focus turn 1. afterwards they add additional actions in melee or go scheming (disguised and stealth are quite good)... lawyer adding shielded and potentially obey enemy models. Or serena. once again: nothing special but solid punch & AP Control & Card draw Lucius (Neverborn) Size: 50 - Pool: 4 Leader: Lucius Mattheson Totem(s): The Scribe Hires: Mature Nephilim Agent 46 Serena Bowman Guild Lawyer Changeling Changeling 2 Changeling 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mxbedlam Posted February 4, 2021 Report Share Posted February 4, 2021 I have a dumb Luci list I've played twice now. The Audacity Lucius Mattheson 4 SS The Scribe Wicked Doll Wicked Doll 2 Doppleganger Vasilisa Investigator Guild Lawyer (AP) Agent 46 The idea is to manipulate staggered as much as possible Plus Vas is a real monster and can summon in Stitched for you. Agent 46 or Dopple can be swapped out for Hina as well when the need arises. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawkoon Posted February 4, 2021 Report Share Posted February 4, 2021 48 minutes ago, Mrbedlam said: The idea is to manipulate staggered as much as possible Then you should try to fit Alan Reid in the list as well. He's actually quite good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
admiralvorkraft Posted February 5, 2021 Report Share Posted February 5, 2021 On 2/4/2021 at 11:38 AM, Hawkoon said: Then you should try to fit Alan Reid in the list as well. He's actually quite good. Yeah - I'd take him over 46 in a Staggered list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadhouse Posted February 6, 2021 Report Share Posted February 6, 2021 I'm a big fan of the following New Lucius Mattheson Crew (Neverborn) Size: 50 - Pool: 8 Leader: Lucius Mattheson Totem(s): The Scribe Hires: Mature Nephilim Inhuman Reflexes Mature Nephilim 2 Inhuman Reflexes Guild Lawyer Ancient Pact Guild Lawyer 2 Ancient Pact All 8 points are flex with Bowman, Doppelganger, or a pair of Changelings all getting mileage depending on the pool and opposing crew. Luci stays back, is usually under Scribe aura, and Serene Countenance means its really unlikely you want stones for prevention, you draw so much I never felt bad about bot having stones for cards, and needing suits for his actions is mostly matchup dependent on Purification imo. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawkoon Posted February 8, 2021 Report Share Posted February 8, 2021 On 2/6/2021 at 1:24 AM, Roadhouse said: I'm a big fan of the following New Lucius Mattheson Crew (Neverborn) Size: 50 - Pool: 8 Leader: Lucius Mattheson Totem(s): The Scribe Hires: Mature Nephilim Inhuman Reflexes Mature Nephilim 2 Inhuman Reflexes Guild Lawyer Ancient Pact Guild Lawyer 2 Ancient Pact All 8 points are flex with Bowman, Doppelganger, or a pair of Changelings all getting mileage depending on the pool and opposing crew. Luci stays back, is usually under Scribe aura, and Serene Countenance means its really unlikely you want stones for prevention, you draw so much I never felt bad about bot having stones for cards, and needing suits for his actions is mostly matchup dependent on Purification imo. I tried something similar recently, except trading 1 lawyer and both AP upgrades for a changelig and doppleganger leaving me with 6SS cache. Despite my opponent brining Anna Lovelace, it worked pretty well. The matures are just incredible with IR in this crew. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadhouse Posted February 10, 2021 Report Share Posted February 10, 2021 Being able to just charge out of engagement and scheme is excellent. You can also do a ton of chip damage by Obeying and Commanding them to charge over and over. Shielded is also that little extra bit of survivability that makes the Matures really tough to take down. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regelridderen Posted February 10, 2021 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2021 Looks like getting the Nekima box is fairly mandatory for a Neverborn Lucius player. Along with the Vasilisa box. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extremor Posted February 10, 2021 Report Share Posted February 10, 2021 Yes Lucius likes ook/versatile a lot. Which is määäh imo cause it shows, his keyword lacks... BBS, Mature, vasilisa, dolls, stiched, angel eyes, serena are the ones I use most often. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadhouse Posted February 10, 2021 Report Share Posted February 10, 2021 I think Z is better for the Vasi style lists becuase she makes the scrap to summon off of. BBS are also better with Z because their interaction with Bokors. Serena is a straight baller in Luci though because he is better at finding the high tomes for her Hole in the World. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extremor Posted February 11, 2021 Report Share Posted February 11, 2021 11 hours ago, Roadhouse said: I think Z is better for the Vasi style lists becuase she makes the scrap to summon off of. BBS are also better with Z because their interaction with Bokors. Serena is a straight baller in Luci though because he is better at finding the high tomes for her Hole in the World. I can see the use of Vasilisa in Z Crews. She also fits in Lucius‘ very good! Cause of the staggered mechanic and if you love Alan Reid like I do, you might want to use Vasilisa to make him real good✨🤗✨ and there are other synergies: 1.Lucius‘ card draw gives you the 9(+) Mask you need to summon 2. Vasilisa fits in well paired with BBS to grow into mature first turn. 3. you can use false witnesses to their max. First you can activate „tell the truth“ without activating the witness (manipulative). Distraction aura, adversary or tell the truth makes stiched (and Allan) much better. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woody71 Posted March 11, 2021 Report Share Posted March 11, 2021 On 2/4/2021 at 3:11 AM, extremor said: And a next one: this time with mature OOK to stomp on enemy models. Also agent 46 and serena to add some punch. Serena healing and misplace in essential situations. changelings adding AP swap to buff the mature and agent with lots of focus turn 1. afterwards they add additional actions in melee or go scheming (disguised and stealth are quite good)... lawyer adding shielded and potentially obey enemy models. Or serena. once again: nothing special but solid punch & AP Control & Card draw Lucius (Neverborn) Size: 50 - Pool: 4 Leader: Lucius Mattheson Totem(s): The Scribe Hires: Mature Nephilim Agent 46 Serena Bowman Guild Lawyer Changeling Changeling 2 Changeling 3 Hi. I just got Lucius and the changelings. Would you be able to help me understand how AP swap is used to buff the matures and 46 with focus please? Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extremor Posted March 11, 2021 Report Share Posted March 11, 2021 Congratulations to the most stylish master of the Neverborn 🥰 If I play mature nephilim I want him stacked with focus. Since he can only concentrate once during his own activation I use Lucius’ „issue command“ to concentrate with him during the activation of Lucius. One or two changeling and lawyers can do the same. Chagelings use „just like you“ to copy „issue command“ from Lucius. Lawyers use obey. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corwin Posted March 11, 2021 Report Share Posted March 11, 2021 The turns after the mature is in combat I have had Lucius make it attack twice and then charge after it killed the first target. First Lucius issues comand to the mature then issues to a changeling who in turn issues the mature. 3 ap the issue to the other changeling to make the mature charge. The first Lucius Ap could be used to Focus the mature as well. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Rivers Posted March 12, 2021 Report Share Posted March 12, 2021 22 hours ago, extremor said: Congratulations to the most stylish master of the Neverborn 🥰 If I play mature nephilim I want him stacked with focus. Since he can only concentrate once during his own activation I use Lucius’ „issue command“ to concentrate with him during the activation of Lucius. One or two changeling and lawyers can do the same. Chagelings use „just like you“ to copy „issue command“ from Lucius. Lawyers use obey. You can also use Lucius to Issue Command to a Lawyer to Obey a Mature, this will yield a card from the lawyer if you have less than your hand size or card cycle if at max hand size. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extremor Posted March 12, 2021 Report Share Posted March 12, 2021 1 hour ago, Chris Rivers said: You can also use Lucius to Issue Command to a Lawyer to Obey a Mature, this will yield a card from the lawyer if you have less than your hand size or card cycle if at max hand size. If you get that 9+ needed for the obey you are perfectly right. Sometimes it is wise to do so, sometimes not. I would simply look at my discard pile to get an idea... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raising Posted March 12, 2021 Report Share Posted March 12, 2021 I played a game yesterday using: 2 Blackblood shaman vasilia wicked doll (to put adversary on my own obey targets) 2 lawyers changeling (AP) false witnes (AP) 0 SS deployment corner, strategy:symbols of authotity (so a lot of distance to cover) first turn I placed shield 2 on both nephlin and got the 4 masks to trigger 4 times the corpse creation. BBS1 attack the other twice and did the ritual, (1 focus to all the crew) vasilia order the BBS1 to do the ritual again (1 focus every one) and got the mature(6health) MAT1 added shielding to the mature BBS2 attack the mature ,2 masks(heals 2 to the MAT1) , and focus +1 evrey one. then espent some obeys and lucius command to give more focus to both of them. First thing next turn, vasilia force the BBS2 to change to mature, MAT2, so both Matures get to regenerate and fly the second turn. geting the MAT1 to 10 health and the MAT to 8. The setup wasent extremely complicated and the payback was brutal, 4 focus all arround, the second turn both flanks got covered by the neplhins and scored on strategy and kill 3 models. I will probably repeat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawkoon Posted March 12, 2021 Report Share Posted March 12, 2021 33 minutes ago, Raising said: BBS2 attack the mature ,2 masks(heals 2 to the MAT1) , and focus +1 evrey one. Just a note on attacking your own mature. Due to the wording on combat finesse, you can't cheat this action, even if it's your own model, so it's a bit of a gamble getting the mask trigger. (If you do BBS2 before Vasilisa you don't have this problem) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raising Posted March 12, 2021 Report Share Posted March 12, 2021 OH, important point. yeah could do before but the 2 heal I got from that were nice. also forgot to add the healing from ending the BSS activation... it requires a improvement to bypass that anti cheat and get the best vaule Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadhouse Posted March 12, 2021 Report Share Posted March 12, 2021 The BBS grow engine is better with Z because the Black Blood turns on Bokors, Bokors generate a ton of cards with all the glowy and fast, Z makes scrap for Vasi to turn into Stitched and the Bokors generate the cards to get the 9+ Mask. There is a ton of nested synergy there and bringing the Emissary to take advantage of the pulsed focus is 👨🍳💋 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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