Zebo Posted January 11, 2021 Report Share Posted January 11, 2021 Well, it could go different paths. I would like to see their scheming improved. Fly with me could be the way. Maybe with some funny trigger dropping "rat bombs" XD. My preference would be improve both mobility and blight spreading. Something like: Infected Blood: after this model suffers damage from an action or trigger, each non-vermin model in 1 gains a Blight Token. A tactical action that spreads blight in (Drink Spirit style but less ghostly and more pustulently). This could have the reposition trigger. For example. Disgusting Splatter 3" Stat 4 TN 10 This model may suffer 1 damage. Non-vermin models in range must each pass a TN 13 Df duel or gain a Blight token. Quit the range from The Plague Spreads. So the Winged Plague can push up to 6" Towards any enemy without blight tokens in LoS (then the tactical shouldn't have Reposition Trigger, maybe). This way they could be a bit better scheming, without achieving Gupps/Crooligan/Necropunk levels, and really worth it giving out Blight when engaged. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesy Blue Posted January 11, 2021 Report Share Posted January 11, 2021 One simple fix would make Winged Plague perfect, and it's not a rule change or adding stiff to the card, it would just be a number change: Plentiful 6, 9, or 12 The reason cheap models work in Plague is because they are disposable; kill off 1, another takes it's place; Winged Plague are the only Plague Minion you only get once with no chance of summoning another one. If you're going to do that then give me a bunch of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zebo Posted January 11, 2021 Report Share Posted January 11, 2021 Mmmh... No, I don't think so. 6 WP doesn't sound better than 2 for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
touchdown Posted January 11, 2021 Report Share Posted January 11, 2021 Drop to 4df, 3wp, 3 cost like a flying piglet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zebo Posted January 11, 2021 Report Share Posted January 11, 2021 They would be actually good. But I doubt Wyrd take that direction. In fact, I actually doubt Wyrd makes any changes on them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesy Blue Posted January 11, 2021 Report Share Posted January 11, 2021 6 hours ago, Zebo said: Mmmh... No, I don't think so. 6 WP doesn't sound better than 2 for me. A wave of overlapping Disease auras that you can't kill fast enough to prevent Blight would be perfect. Everything would have Blight on it by turn 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azahul Posted January 11, 2021 Report Share Posted January 11, 2021 That still doesn't seem like a worthwhile investment if I'm being honest. I rarely find it hard to get Blight out there, and it usually happens incidentally while doing actually meaningful actions like dealing damage with good models. I have actually run Abomination spam with Leveticus before (6 Abominations, two Desolation Engines, Servant of Dark Powers on Leveticus) and Winged Plagues don't even measure up to that level on paper unfortunately. At least Abominations cut out the middle man/dog/wretch and deal damage directly once they're in the opponent's face. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
admiralvorkraft Posted January 11, 2021 Author Report Share Posted January 11, 2021 Correct me if I'm wrong, but auras can only proc once per action, so multiple disease auras don't actually do anything. I'd like to see them be a valid scheme runner just so I don't have to buy the Midnight Stalker. 😛 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azahul Posted January 11, 2021 Report Share Posted January 11, 2021 I presume @Jesy Bluemeans overlapping in the sense that you can't deal with one Winged Plague without ending your turn in another's Diseased Aura for next turn, ensuring that Blight will always be going up. That said I don't think I've ever felt like Hamelin is all that desperate for scheme runners. He can send a Rat King 18" in a turn and still have it able to Interact at the end of that movement, he has Rat Catchers able to scheme in the middle of the central melee without issue, and he has Benny able to rush up the board and start converting rats into scheme markers in a pinch if many are needed in one place. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
admiralvorkraft Posted January 12, 2021 Author Report Share Posted January 12, 2021 Fair points all around. The way I play, Hamelin's actions, especially in early turns, are all pretty dedicated to spooling up the blight engine and building board control. I value at least one model that can get its job done without him, especially if I feel like I need early scheming... Honestly I think the problem might be Benny (sort of). The designers clearly wanted to get away from Hamelin's summon cycle of 2e but couldn't totally come up with a replacement way for Rats/Rat Kings/Rat Catchers to work. So they put the initial summoning on Benny and made it really AP expensive. Which would be a problem with cheap independent scheme runners. So WP didn't have a clearly defined place. I guess the design principle then is plague bombs. Maybe drop them to 3ss, add insignificant, make their push a free action attack to push 5" ignoring intervening models, any models they pass over take Mv 12 duel or gain a blight. Make their demise either 2dmg and blight or 2 blight. It would keep summoning a really secondary focus of the crew (mechanically, I know we all do it) while taking pressure off Hamelin to get blight out turn one and letting him support more aggressive scheming... Thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zebo Posted January 13, 2021 Report Share Posted January 13, 2021 I like the idea of improving their blight generation, but wouldn't reduce their cost for this. Improving their attack stat, adding some blight pulse, or more pasive ways to put blight on enemies would be fine for me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesy Blue Posted January 13, 2021 Report Share Posted January 13, 2021 .... man do I miss the Plague Pits. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
admiralvorkraft Posted January 13, 2021 Author Report Share Posted January 13, 2021 1 hour ago, Jesy Blue said: .... man do I miss the Plague Pits. Yeah... maybe just cut to the bone. Boost their survivability and give them a tactical free action "until eot enemy models treat the area within 2" as hazardous Blight 1." 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azahul Posted January 14, 2021 Report Share Posted January 14, 2021 11 hours ago, Jesy Blue said: .... man do I miss the Plague Pits. Well now I want a new release for Plague in the form of a mostly stationary Enforcer in the form of a putrid pit that summons Winged Plagues. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
admiralvorkraft Posted January 14, 2021 Author Report Share Posted January 14, 2021 Literally just a sewer grate and a creepy lamppost... 😛 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesy Blue Posted January 14, 2021 Report Share Posted January 14, 2021 Double Keyword of Plague & Seeker to go with their Lamp markers to make it extra creepy! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azahul Posted January 15, 2021 Report Share Posted January 15, 2021 Sounds perfect! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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