Zebo Posted February 27 Report Share Posted February 27 It wouldn't be bad, bit I think that's only for the sisters. And adding to "welcome to Malifaux" Positive flips against models with summoning upgrades? Not sure, her main problem feels like being a resource-intensive beater in a crew with two resource-intensive beater masters. If she don't add something extra useful, she'll never stop being a tech piece. Some kind of buff to friendly Mercenary models, or some combo-shenanigan. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plaag Posted February 27 Report Share Posted February 27 2 hours ago, Zebo said: It wouldn't be bad, bit I think that's only for the sisters. And adding to "welcome to Malifaux" Positive flips against models with summoning upgrades? Not sure, her main problem feels like being a resource-intensive beater in a crew with two resource-intensive beater masters. If she don't add something extra useful, she'll never stop being a tech piece. Some kind of buff to friendly Mercenary models, or some combo-shenanigan. she need not to discard a card with ability welcome to malifaux Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RisingPhoenix Posted February 28 Report Share Posted February 28 Change "Welcome to Malifaux" to "Whenever an opponent places a unit within 6" and "this attack gets +" Give Taelor's Rune Hammer Exorcism trigger Bam, now she has a role. She's right on the border of playable anyway, we don't need her to be OP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zebo Posted February 28 Report Share Posted February 28 16 hours ago, Plaag said: she need not to discard a card with ability welcome to malifaux Since Welcome to Malifaux is quite a bad rule, this wouldn't fix her at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plaag Posted February 28 Report Share Posted February 28 1 hour ago, Zebo said: Since Welcome to Malifaux is quite a bad rule, this wouldn't fix her at all. maybe u are right i like the idea abt hiting models that are placed within 6", but need to make it without discarding a card or make positive for it if card was discarded, because vics dont have good card draw and resourses are limited Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
katadder Posted February 28 Report Share Posted February 28 4 hours ago, RisingPhoenix said: Change "Welcome to Malifaux" to "Whenever an opponent places a unit within 6" and "this attack gets +" Give Taelor's Rune Hammer Exorcism trigger Bam, now she has a role. She's right on the border of playable anyway, we don't need her to be OP. Lol that would make her auto kill summons pretty much as she's stat 7. I like her, just wish she still had h2w so she's still the keywords tanky model. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plaag Posted February 28 Report Share Posted February 28 1 hour ago, katadder said: Lol that would make her auto kill summons pretty much as she's stat 7. I like her, just wish she still had h2w so she's still the keywords tanky model. also give vics 1 armour, because they have only heal as def Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
katadder Posted February 28 Report Share Posted February 28 Dunno, df6, shielded 2 is often their defence. Plus I give them h2k. Don't even need a card for the shielded, just be near each other which as long as they activate within 6 is easy enough. Plus you get 6 actions with them so are great as they stand. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plaag Posted February 28 Report Share Posted February 28 1 hour ago, katadder said: Dunno, df6, shielded 2 is often their defence. Plus I give them h2k. Don't even need a card for the shielded, just be near each other which as long as they activate within 6 is easy enough. Plus you get 6 actions with them so are great as they stand. only one need htk and shielded works only if they had activated Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
katadder Posted February 28 Report Share Posted February 28 5 minutes ago, Plaag said: only one need htk and shielded works only if they had activated True but that hasn't been an issue for me when using the viks. Whilst only 1 might need it I like redundancy, especially so I can use both to full effect without fear of the easier one being dropped. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RisingPhoenix Posted March 1 Report Share Posted March 1 15 hours ago, katadder said: Lol that would make her auto kill summons pretty much as she's stat 7. I like her, just wish she still had h2w so she's still the keywords tanky model. It would make her likely to kill summons that are placed within 6" and in line of sight of her at the cost of a card, yes. It would give her a strong anti-summoner role, and force summoners to play around her. What, is there some problem in this game with summoners being too weak? Because there's not. Most of the suggestions here are just "make her generically gooder" (like giving her h2w), which isn't a good direction for the game. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maniacal_cackle Posted March 1 Report Share Posted March 1 2 minutes ago, RisingPhoenix said: It would make her likely to kill summons that are placed within 6" and in line of sight of her at the cost of a card, yes. It would give her a strong anti-summoner role, and force summoners to play around her. What, is there some problem in this game with summoners being too weak? Because there's not. Most of the suggestions here are just "make her generically gooder" (like giving her h2w), which isn't a good direction for the game. And even if she can autokill summons, it is still going to be strictly worse than gravity well 😜 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azahul Posted March 1 Report Share Posted March 1 Though exorcism on a Stat 7 Henchman does mean she's basically guaranteed to one-shot all Summons even outside Welcome to Malifuax. But ultimately I consider that a good thing. It means she'll be hired as a tech pick into Summoners at least. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
touchdown Posted March 1 Report Share Posted March 1 Hard counters are not fun in my opinion. If she had the or built in that would also fix her I think. The especially. Either one means she can consistently do something useful besides just killing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thatguy Posted March 1 Report Share Posted March 1 I think I'd drop her cost by a stone and change Welcome to Malifaux to: This model gets positive twists to attack and damage actions targeting models with Summon Upgrades. That and change more Summons to having attached upgrades. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
katadder Posted March 1 Report Share Posted March 1 Would be nice if she had her old armour piercing trigger back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thatguy Posted March 1 Report Share Posted March 1 Just now, katadder said: Would be nice if she had her old armour piercing trigger back. Yeah. I'm kinda confused that all Relic Hammers don't ignore Armor or have it as a trigger. It was a big part of their fluff in the last two eds that they seriously wrecked constructs. Now Taelor gently love taps golems. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RisingPhoenix Posted March 1 Report Share Posted March 1 1 hour ago, touchdown said: Hard counters are not fun in my opinion. If she had the or built in that would also fix her I think. The especially. Either one means she can consistently do something useful besides just killing. Is Vincent St. Claire a hard counter to summoners? Tend to doubt it. If he was, then you couldn't play Summoners into Rezzers. But in fact he's just a good tool against them. Cards aren't free, soulstones aren't free, and a single model can't be everywhere. Fact is, every faction should have access to Exorcism. The game can't properly be balanced around summoners having to face Vincent St Claire or Charm Warders, then other factions literally not getting that stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
touchdown Posted March 2 Report Share Posted March 2 5 hours ago, RisingPhoenix said: Is Vincent St. Claire a hard counter to summoners? Tend to doubt it. If he was, then you couldn't play Summoners into Rezzers. But in fact he's just a good tool against them. Cards aren't free, soulstones aren't free, and a single model can't be everywhere. Fact is, every faction should have access to Exorcism. The game can't properly be balanced around summoners having to face Vincent St Claire or Charm Warders, then other factions literally not getting that stuff. there was a suggestion that she should have the exorcism trigger built in. That would be a hard counter imo. If she just had it, that would be fine but I think wouldn't move the needle on her usefulness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RisingPhoenix Posted March 4 Report Share Posted March 4 On 3/1/2021 at 4:03 PM, touchdown said: there was a suggestion that she should have the exorcism trigger built in. That would be a hard counter imo. If she just had it, that would be fine but I think wouldn't move the needle on her usefulness. She's a henchman, she can always pay a stone for it if she really wants it (same with Vincent). It won't be as good as Vincent without the range, but if you've ever seen Vincent delete summons... it's pretty useful. One of the funnier things I've seen was a match when an Asami player finally read his card and was like... "what". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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