GrumpyGrandpa Posted March 11, 2020 Report Share Posted March 11, 2020 So, just had a weird situation. A Mindless Zombie (Insignificant) kills a model designated for Hidden Martyrs - Does the kill count? We ruled no, but wanted to make sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6 santaclaws01 Posted March 11, 2020 Report Share Posted March 11, 2020 4 hours ago, Angelshard said: It does. Hidden martyr doesn't look at who killed the model only that it was enemy controlled. It needs to be killed by a model. Without getting into the enemy-controlled thing, insignificant models don't exist as far as the schemes and strats are concerned. If an insignificant model kills a martyr, that martyr just dropped dead out of nowhere as far as the scheme is concerned. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1 Angelshard Posted March 11, 2020 Report Share Posted March 11, 2020 It does. Hidden martyr doesn't look at who killed the model only that it was enemy controlled. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Mycellanious Posted March 11, 2020 Report Share Posted March 11, 2020 4 hours ago, Angelshard said: It does. Hidden martyr doesn't look at who killed the model only that it was enemy controlled. Im not convinced that an Insignificant model would count as a model for this scheme Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 farmoar Posted March 11, 2020 Report Share Posted March 11, 2020 3 minutes ago, santaclaws01 said: It needs to be killed by a model. Without getting into the enemy-controlled thing, insignificant models don't exist as far as the schemes and strats are concerned. If an insignificant model kills a martyr, that martyr just dropped dead out of nowhere as far as the scheme is concerned. I believe you might be wrong. Using GG0 as a basis: If an insignificant model killed something in Turf War, the marker didnt flip. BUT if an insignificant model killed something in Reckoning, the kill still counted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 santaclaws01 Posted March 11, 2020 Report Share Posted March 11, 2020 Just now, farmoar said: I believe you might be wrong. Using GG0 as a basis: If an insignificant model killed something in Turf War, the marker didnt flip. BUT if an insignificant model killed something in Reckoning, the kill still counted. Reckoning just needed a model to be killed. It didn't care who, what, or how. Turf war is the closer apporximation, since the only difference is that turf war said if an enemy model kills, and hidden martyrs says if an enemy controlled model kills. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Maniacal_cackle Posted March 11, 2020 Report Share Posted March 11, 2020 15 minutes ago, santaclaws01 said: Without getting into the enemy-controlled thing, Is the "enemy-controlled" thing that the use and definition of enemy controlled don't match, so schemes don't work the way they should? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 santaclaws01 Posted March 12, 2020 Report Share Posted March 12, 2020 22 hours ago, Maniacal_cackle said: Is the "enemy-controlled" thing that the use and definition of enemy controlled don't match, so schemes don't work the way they should? Yeah. Not an interpretation that I think anyone should enforce at a table, but I'll definitely mention it here to keep the issue known about and hopefully addressed in some way. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 GrumpyGrandpa Posted March 16, 2020 Author Report Share Posted March 16, 2020 Did we ever land on an answer for this one? Seems to be split 50 / 50 right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Maniacal_cackle Posted March 16, 2020 Report Share Posted March 16, 2020 3 hours ago, GrumpyGrandpa said: Did we ever land on an answer for this one? Seems to be split 50 / 50 right now. Check the votes/agree reacts. Most people agree with Santa (it says the chosen model must be killed by a model an enemy controls, so insignicant models don't count). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 GrumpyGrandpa Posted March 17, 2020 Author Report Share Posted March 17, 2020 13 hours ago, Maniacal_cackle said: Check the votes/agree reacts. Most people agree with Santa (it says the chosen model must be killed by a model an enemy controls, so insignicant models don't count). I did - Still not sure. Most people seem to believe, as I do, that they don't count. But I'd hate to make my main argument "4 out of 7 people agree with this". Was hopin' we'd come to any agreement on this one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Adran Posted March 17, 2020 Report Share Posted March 17, 2020 I'm still trying to get my head around friendly controlled and enemy controlled, but as far as I read, it needs to be killed by a model. As far as strats and schemes apply insignificant models don't count as a model for such a purpose, so won't count. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Maniacal_cackle Posted March 17, 2020 Report Share Posted March 17, 2020 19 minutes ago, Adran said: I'm still trying to get my head around friendly controlled and enemy controlled, but as far as I read, it needs to be killed by a model. As far as strats and schemes apply insignificant models don't count as a model for such a purpose, so won't count. I think they broke friendly/enemy controlled. Half the time they use 'enemy controlled' they mean 'a model controlled by your opponent' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Angelshard Posted March 17, 2020 Report Share Posted March 17, 2020 @GrumpyGrandpa after reading up on it and discussing it in my local meta I agree with the argument that insignificant isn't a model and so doesn't give you the point. What threw me off was the idea that insignificant could be positive, but there are other examples where being insignificant can be an advantadge. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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So, just had a weird situation. A Mindless Zombie (Insignificant) kills a model designated for Hidden Martyrs - Does the kill count? We ruled no, but wanted to make sure.
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