Ludvig Posted October 16, 2019 Report Share Posted October 16, 2019 Archie is looking pretty damn versatile to me. Is he top tier filth that would go well into any list looking for some oomph? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newsun Posted October 16, 2019 Report Share Posted October 16, 2019 Yes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedeadclaw Posted October 16, 2019 Report Share Posted October 16, 2019 Yes. He's a big reason that Ressers are so high in the competetive tiers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SebastianResser Posted October 16, 2019 Report Share Posted October 16, 2019 Archie is good. But there are other models that are also good in Ressers. For example, Manos have similar stats and has better hitting skills, has regeneration +2 (without spending a card) and is faster. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogid Posted October 16, 2019 Report Share Posted October 16, 2019 Manos is a good model, but not better than Archie in the beating department: Manos: 2/3/4 2'' with stat 6 (3/4/5 using the Siphon Power) or a 12'' with stat 5. Archie: 3/4/6 1'' with stat 6 (and a very situational spell). He has also Flurry and Ruthless. And in the defensive skills, Manos have Regen, but Archie have a lot of abilities: Manos: 5/6, Regen+2, Extended Reach (but as he doesn't have a built in trigger in leap, he usually have to deal 1 damage to himself). Archie: 4/4 Terrifying(12), H2W, Numbskull, Fading(BF) (Numbskull is both an advantage and a dissadvantage, no Focused but no Stunned or Slow either) The damage track is simmilar, Manos can perform focused attacks, but Archie have 1 extra attack per turn (which will also heal him). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fetid Strumpet Posted October 16, 2019 Report Share Posted October 16, 2019 Flurry and leap on the same model. No conditions. Self healing. High beater dmg track. Average for cost survivability. 9 stones cost. he doesn’t break the game open, but he is ludicrously ubdercosted for the value he brings. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddywhack Posted October 16, 2019 Report Share Posted October 16, 2019 4 hours ago, Thedeadclaw said: Yes. He's a big reason that Ressers are so high in the competetive tiers. Really? Have resurrs being doing well elsewhere? I haven't seen a lot of tourney reports. Right now I'm not feeling resurrs being very strong and others in the area seem to agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maniacal_cackle Posted October 16, 2019 Report Share Posted October 16, 2019 I play Molly so he is extra good for me, but... He IS fantastic. Largely this is due to his mobility (leap without needing a mask, unlike Manos?) But he is also overhyped. He is very susceptible to counter charges and dying. He is the king of scheme runners, but struggles with big fights where he is taking big hits. I'd definitely recommend him as a purchase for any Resser player once he is available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maniacal_cackle Posted October 16, 2019 Report Share Posted October 16, 2019 Oh, and he can't focus. A major disadvantage, and he really struggles against serene countenance. Manipulative is a bit of a struggle too, but he is often the last activation, so isn't as bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobby Wyrd Posted October 16, 2019 Report Share Posted October 16, 2019 Methinks it's the hat... If nothing else, that has made him EXTREMELY popular of late. 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fetid Strumpet Posted October 16, 2019 Report Share Posted October 16, 2019 How is manipulative a problem? He’s ruthless. And in my opinion he is not over hyped. He is criminally undercosted. Just because it is possible to kill him doesn’t mean you don’t get amazing value out of him. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maniacal_cackle Posted October 16, 2019 Report Share Posted October 16, 2019 1 minute ago, Fetid Strumpet said: How is manipulative a problem? He’s ruthless: Haha, oh, right. So nevermind on that one... Well, my playgroup is going to hate him even more now. I don't think he is overpowered, but he is definitely top tier xD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedeadclaw Posted October 16, 2019 Report Share Posted October 16, 2019 27 minutes ago, Paddywhack said: Really? Have resurrs being doing well elsewhere? I haven't seen a lot of tourney reports. Right now I'm not feeling resurrs being very strong and others in the area seem to agree. Yes. Tourney results have looked favorably on them as of late. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maniacal_cackle Posted October 16, 2019 Report Share Posted October 16, 2019 Re: tournament results. They also have some VERY powerful masters and models. They're a very versatile faction that can take on any scenario. They have some big weaknesses (Shenlong, ruthless, ignore demise?), but if people aren't packing the hate options against ressers, it is no wonder they're doing well. Ressers also have some extremely strong counter picks (Molly + Archie destroy any condition or marker based crew). So while Archie is part of their strength, I wouldn't count out Kirai, Dead Rider, McMourning, etc. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sybarite Posted October 16, 2019 Report Share Posted October 16, 2019 27 minutes ago, Maniacal_cackle said: Haha, oh, right. So nevermind on that one... Well, my playgroup is going to hate him even more now. I don't think he is overpowered, but he is definitely top tier xD Top tier and over-powered are the same thing. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sybarite Posted October 16, 2019 Report Share Posted October 16, 2019 A cool thing with Archie is that they heal when accomplicing. Healing with effigy or Ponto and then healing again on accomplice and then again on flurry can be really sweet if youre low on HP but managed to stray Alive. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maniacal_cackle Posted October 16, 2019 Report Share Posted October 16, 2019 15 minutes ago, Sybarite said: Top tier and over-powered are the same thing. In my circles (MTG background), top tier usually means "top tier of balanced play." God tier or S tier mean "overpowered, format warping, or needing a ban/errata." So that is what I meant. Archie is amongst the best in the faction, but that doesn't mean he needs a nerf. Though of course a year from now, with enough tournament data, maybe he will need one. My main point though is people shouldn't feel hamstrung if they can't buy Archie ATM. He is strong, but so are lots of other options. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maniacal_cackle Posted October 16, 2019 Report Share Posted October 16, 2019 18 minutes ago, Sybarite said: A cool thing with Archie is that they heal when accomplicing. Healing with effigy or Ponto and then healing again on accomplice and then again on flurry can be really sweet if youre low on HP but managed to stray Alive. This and any other discard effects are great heals. It is hilarious when your opponent makes you discard a card and you actually wanted to for the heal. I rarely get accomplice off on him though. I send him ranging far away from my crew a lot of the time. Maybe I need to tighten up my play xD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludvig Posted October 17, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 17, 2019 I only have some McMourning stuff since last edition but ended up with a couple of random models like Archie and the emissary that I haven't built yet. Archie doesn't have poison interactions but seems to compare really well to the emissary and rogue necromancy since he has more mobility and flurry. Switching Rafkin or Sebastian to Archie also seems worth it for all the extra oomph. I'm having a bit of trouble deciding what to build first to get into the new McMourning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marke83 Posted October 17, 2019 Report Share Posted October 17, 2019 I would hire Archie into any crew. I like Whisper on him to see what I'm flippin' for the leap. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuBlanck Posted October 17, 2019 Report Share Posted October 17, 2019 My big problem with Archie (as a victim) is the Leap. When it was Hulkinn Leap, or whatever the size-appropriate shorter distance was called, he was just mobile. With the full six inches he is egregiously hard to manage - twenty-some inches of non-linear threat with two min3 attacks and immune to controlling conditions, H2W and easy heals, and escort for scheme runners/deniers is a real bummer to play against. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maniacal_cackle Posted October 17, 2019 Report Share Posted October 17, 2019 4 hours ago, DuBlanck said: My big problem with Archie (as a victim) is the Leap. When it was Hulkinn Leap, or whatever the size-appropriate shorter distance was called, he was just mobile. With the full six inches he is egregiously hard to manage - twenty-some inches of non-linear threat with two min3 attacks and immune to controlling conditions, H2W and easy heals, and escort for scheme runners/deniers is a real bummer to play against. I agree. He would be at a much lower power level if they even took off the built in mask on his leap. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewrathchilde Posted October 18, 2019 Report Share Posted October 18, 2019 On 10/16/2019 at 4:08 PM, Maniacal_cackle said: He IS fantastic. Largely this is due to his mobility (leap without needing a mask, unlike Manos?) with Siphon Power Manos essentially has the built in suit. It also gives you the flexibility to be able to hit the Sudden Strike trigger as long as you have either of the suits as you can Siphon for the other. On 10/16/2019 at 4:08 PM, Maniacal_cackle said: But he is also overhyped. He is very susceptible to counter charges and dying. He is the king of scheme runners, but struggles with big fights where he is taking big hits. Agree 15 hours ago, Maniacal_cackle said: I agree. He would be at a much lower power level if they even took off the built in mask on his leap. Please don’t give them ideas. No self castration this early in M3E.,..... way to early to make the argument that he needs to be changed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maniacal_cackle Posted October 18, 2019 Report Share Posted October 18, 2019 5 minutes ago, thewrathchilde said: Please don’t give them ideas. No self castration this early in M3E.,..... way to early to make the argument that he needs to be changed. Haha, my usual take on this is that this sort of stuff is fine for beta changes, but we're in official game now. It'd be pretty shit of them to make a change like this (removing the mask) via an errata without loads of tournament evidence. It would significantly nerf Molly's crew as a whole, since Archie is a key delivery vector for crooligans, and he can't stone for the leap. I think he is definitely overhyped and not a problem compared to other stuff I have fielded. He is a bit like stitched together - he feels overpowered, but he isn't even the strongest thing we field. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cursed25 Posted October 18, 2019 Report Share Posted October 18, 2019 1 hour ago, thewrathchilde said: Please don’t give them ideas. No self castration this early in M3E.,..... way to early to make the argument that he needs to be changed. if everyone in the community uses him with any master because he's on par/stronger than every other choices there is something off for sure! I know it's really early in M3e but if the trend continue for ressers of everyone fielding Archie in every game he will get nerf for sure! Or they will up the cost for OOK models and I wouldn't mind this approach because I dislike a lot the competitive list n M2e where everyone was fielding the same things! A +2-3 ss tax would maybe prevent every masters taking him OOK without the need to nerf him directly? what do you think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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