Cronex13 Posted September 20, 2019 Author Report Share Posted September 20, 2019 -nods- thats not a bad thought, but it only works if I can kill him before he activates. Otherwise, once the sword is out, the minions don't need him to toss it around to each other. Whereas killing Asami early prevents summoning every turn. That's a tough choice in priorities. Also, I like the idea of getting rid of Asami earlier because McCabe lacks the same defensive tech, will be more able to kill later on in the game when I'm model deprived. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddywhack Posted September 20, 2019 Report Share Posted September 20, 2019 Yeah - I just think she's going to be very hard to remove. Taking models that don't rely on Df tech would be a good idea too. Anything with Armor pays for that in it's cost. Things that don't rely on Armor, Shielded, HtW, HtK, etc. mean fewer SS wasted on things that won't help much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronex13 Posted September 20, 2019 Author Report Share Posted September 20, 2019 Yeah for sure, keeping the guardian alive will be tough but a lot easier if I can stop the summons. -sigh- unfortunately, when facing 2 masters, hard choices have to be made. I REALLY wish I had Greed for this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord J Posted September 20, 2019 Report Share Posted September 20, 2019 3 hours ago, Paddywhack said: Some shockwaves could be useful, but again I don't see many in Guild. Actually, "No Prisoners" Upgrade (x2) gives a Bonus Action Shockwave. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4thstringer Posted September 20, 2019 Report Share Posted September 20, 2019 No prisoners, Melissa Kore, papa loco, thralls and investigative reporters are the options I can think of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord J Posted September 20, 2019 Report Share Posted September 20, 2019 1 hour ago, 4thstringer said: No prisoners, Melissa Kore, papa loco, thralls and investigative reporters are the options I can think of. ... Mmm, that's a remarkable number of shockwaves... If only we had a mediocre player who could assemble a Shockwave thematic crew... 🤔 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronex13 Posted September 20, 2019 Author Report Share Posted September 20, 2019 7 minutes ago, Lord J said: ... Mmm, that's a remarkable number of shockwaves... If only we had a mediocre player who could assemble a Shockwave thematic crew... 🤔 All 10 guild players in the world just winced 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddywhack Posted September 21, 2019 Report Share Posted September 21, 2019 No Prisoners ins't bad, but a 2" shockwave is better of course. Thralls are good models all around, but I know he doesn't have any. Proxy them maybe? Papa might actually be better, his Shockwave is brutal! He may not survive long once the opponent know about his damage potential though. If nothing else, shockwaves can force him to use cards. I'm also not sold on Grimwell. One of his action is pretty useless unless you bring a other Asylum. Nurse Heartsbane has similar dmg potential and a 10" Wp attack that gives Staggered and either a discard or Slow. It has to target a model engaged with a friendly, but I don't think that will be too hard. Creep Along is a psuedo Nimble and she has Serene Countenance to help in defense, all at 2SS less. Domador, which I know you don't have but could proxy, have Decay with Blast on weak that hands out Injured. And her Decay can Heal friendly models so no worries about splashing them. Keep 'em behing the front line spashing Injured on models and looking for a good chance for an Obey here and there (Obey on Undead and any living within 5" count as Undead). Vile Reclamation hands out an Injured too. Start stacking those up on a model and they'll fold pretty quick. Not the cheapest model out there, but might be worth playing with. Hard to get in range, but if you can Obey a Jorogumo to charge Asami They've got a nice Pulse for damage too if they get stuck in and survive for a turn (not likely I know). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronex13 Posted September 21, 2019 Author Report Share Posted September 21, 2019 Interesting! As far as AoE damage, I'll admit, my opponent doesn't tend to group up too hard with his models. The advantage of 2" engagement ranges I suppose, but having the tools to hand out AoE is never detrimental! I'm intrigued by the idea of Heartsbane over Grimwell. I was very sad that she was so useless last edition and haven't been very impressed this edition either, but you're right, she does seem to have similar abilities. My thinking is that Grimwell would do better because he has better stats and access to soulstones, which is super important in a scenario so kill focused. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4thstringer Posted September 21, 2019 Report Share Posted September 21, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Lord J said: ... Mmm, that's a remarkable number of shockwaves... If only we had a mediocre player who could assemble a Shockwave thematic crew... 🤔 I feel like I've been summoned. I've done some theory faux around instead using a lucius crew with one or two riflemen with the upgrade and lots of obeying to throw a bunch in a turn. I've previously tried the Kore grenade spam with little enough success though that I haven't done it. Edited September 21, 2019 by 4thstringer 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cursed25 Posted September 21, 2019 Report Share Posted September 21, 2019 1 hour ago, 4thstringer said: I feel like I've been summoned. I've done some theory faux around instead using a lucius crew with one or two riflemen with the upgrade and lots of obeying to throw a bunch in a turn. I've previously tried the Kore grenade spam with little enough success though that I haven't done it. I also tried a shockwave heavy game with 2 thralls with no prisonners and it wasn't that good! My opponent got lucky for sure on one turn when he flipped just high enough for 4 models in range of one shockwave but I've found they don't do enough dmg for a low TN that opponent have good ways to avoid when he really need it. So most of the time my opponent just didn't care about the few dmg or when he wanted to protect the important pieces he just cheated his moderate. Also after getting hit by one on 4 models he just spaced out his models and it was really hard to target more than 1-2 models! 😕 THe Thralls have been way more threatening for me as melee monsters instead of shockwave flingers! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronex13 Posted September 21, 2019 Author Report Share Posted September 21, 2019 Game 1 finished, @Myyrä the list did astoundingly well. 6-3 my win. Obly variation was gave Grimwell LLC. More detailed info later after seconds game! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronex13 Posted September 22, 2019 Author Report Share Posted September 22, 2019 Alright, more of an update: Turn 1, I committed everything. Killed a Jurogumo and Dawn Serpent. From the getgo, EVERYTHING rushed Asami and her friends. My opponent spent the game backpedaling. He managed to go a turn without a 13 so he only summoned an Obsidian Oni, and then the next turn he black jokered his attempt on a Jurogumo. I tabled the enemy, wiped em out. Won the game 6-3. Lots of injure really helped deal with them, so good. And the drain on his hand from Grimwell was excessive, plus he was discarding to protect Asami. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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