Kharnage Posted October 22, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 22, 2019 So question for the Nekima-using masses; has anyone actually hired tots as Nekima? I feel like they're dogs, but with the potential to be not-dogs, but I still never feel compelled to use them in comparison to just hiring bigger, better, more absorbent models now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludvig Posted October 22, 2019 Report Share Posted October 22, 2019 1 hour ago, Kharnage said: So question for the Nekima-using masses; has anyone actually hired tots as Nekima? I feel like they're dogs, but with the potential to be not-dogs, but I still never feel compelled to use them in comparison to just hiring bigger, better, more absorbent models now. I feel like pass tokens have made cheap models a bit awkward. You're either moving stuff up for the elite enemy crew to kill turn one or you are giving them an advantage on the critical T2 initiative. Half the point of them in m2e was wasting activations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogid Posted October 22, 2019 Report Share Posted October 22, 2019 2 hours ago, Kharnage said: So question for the Nekima-using masses; has anyone actually hired tots as Nekima? I feel like they're dogs, but with the potential to be not-dogs, but I still never feel compelled to use them in comparison to just hiring bigger, better, more absorbent models now. I've not tested them but I'd only consider them if I were for a greedy grow heavy list in T1. They only have an attack with stat 4 and no other shenanigan... pretty bad for their cost, the only good thing is the potential to grow into something useful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kharnage Posted October 22, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 22, 2019 4 hours ago, Ogid said: I've not tested them but I'd only consider them if I were for a greedy grow heavy list in T1. They only have an attack with stat 4 and no other shenanigan... pretty bad for their cost, the only good thing is the potential to grow into something useful. The hidden gem I'm convinced is that they have Protected. Not that Nephilim are excited about card discarding, but the fact that they can toss off disengaging strikes and go run off is pretty good. They can also stab each other and bigger boys for a poor man's Pustule with that 1/2/4 track. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogid Posted October 22, 2019 Report Share Posted October 22, 2019 1 hour ago, Kharnage said: The hidden gem I'm convinced is that they have Protected. Not that Nephilim are excited about card discarding, but the fact that they can toss off disengaging strikes and go run off is pretty good. They can also stab each other and bigger boys for a poor man's Pustule with that 1/2/4 track. Good points. The disengage one is neat, but they can't interact that turn, need another Neph near and it cost a card; it's very situational. The stab each other part is clever; but it's something a dog can do... for me unless a player wants to grow them asap, they are outclased by the doggies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharp_GT Posted October 24, 2019 Report Share Posted October 24, 2019 On 10/22/2019 at 3:27 PM, Kharnage said: The hidden gem I'm convinced is that they have Protected. Not that Nephilim are excited about card discarding, but the fact that they can toss off disengaging strikes and go run off is pretty good. Oh SNAP! I hadn't thought of that trick. R.a.w. that totally works for tots, dreamer, marcus, etc! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kharnage Posted October 24, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 24, 2019 10 hours ago, Sharp_GT said: Oh SNAP! I hadn't thought of that trick. R.a.w. that totally works for tots, dreamer, marcus, etc! Butterfly Jump also works on Disengaging Strikes, while you're at it. The God Empress goes where she pleases! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starrius Posted October 24, 2019 Report Share Posted October 24, 2019 The tots I've kind of liked for fly with me. That extra one damage from a free action move can sometimes make the difference Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adran Posted October 25, 2019 Report Share Posted October 25, 2019 On 10/24/2019 at 1:20 PM, Kharnage said: Butterfly Jump also works on Disengaging Strikes, while you're at it. The God Empress goes where she pleases! I've been thinking about this, and I'm not sure if the attack during the disengaging action counts as the enemy model making an attack action. probably a more important question for Lucius and all those following orders models Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kharnage Posted October 25, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 25, 2019 7 minutes ago, Adran said: I've been thinking about this, and I'm not sure if the attack during the disengaging action counts as the enemy model making an attack action. probably a more important question for Lucius and all those following orders models Under Disengage action: "One enemy model engaging this model (opponent’s choice) may take a y Attack targeting this model". I'm not really sure how much more "Yep this is an attack action" it could get. What would your counterpoint be? That there's a difference between "taking an attack targeting a model" and "targeting a model with an attack action"? EDIT: While the following orders models disengaging strike-ing on higher cost models to draw cards is amusing, I doubt it it will come up as often as all that, whereas BFJ models wanting to leave melee comes up a great deal. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adran Posted October 25, 2019 Report Share Posted October 25, 2019 3 minutes ago, Kharnage said: Under Disengage action: "One enemy model engaging this model (opponent’s choice) may take a y Attack targeting this model". I'm not really sure how much more "Yep this is an attack action" it could get. What would your counterpoint be? That there's a difference between "taking an attack targeting a model" and "targeting a model with an attack action"? All the triggers (onslaught, coordinated strike and so forth) I have found tell you to take an attack action. Charge tells you to take an action. Disengage tells you they take an attack. Its the only case I can find that adds an "action" without them specifying it is an action. Its also the only time the extra "action" doesn't follow the rules on actions generated by effects (again that I can find). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kharnage Posted October 25, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, Adran said: All the triggers (onslaught, coordinated strike and so forth) I have found tell you to take an attack action. Charge tells you to take an action. Disengage tells you they take an attack. Its the only case I can find that adds an "action" without them specifying it is an action. Its also the only time the extra "action" doesn't follow the rules on actions generated by effects (again that I can find). Consider Wicked. "When this model makes a successful y Action generated by an enemy model's Disengage Action, this model may resolve the Action's normal effects (including Triggers) instead of reducing the enemy model's Push distance." Here, it specifically calls it an action. So either Wicked doesn't work, or it's an action. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adran Posted October 25, 2019 Report Share Posted October 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, Kharnage said: Consider Wicked. "When this model makes a successful y Action generated by an enemy model's Disengage Action, this model may resolve the Action's normal effects (including Triggers) instead of reducing the enemy model's Push distance." Here, it specifically calls it an action. So either Wicked doesn't work, or it's an action. That's a solid justification. I hadn't thought to check wicked. This would also make Crowd control and following orders better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kharnage Posted October 25, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 25, 2019 1 minute ago, Adran said: This would also make Crowd control and following orders better. Oooooh, Crowd Control prevents Disengaging Strikes. I knew the mechanics, but none of the exploits. Our dark powers combined! Thank you sir. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharp_GT Posted October 25, 2019 Report Share Posted October 25, 2019 10 minutes ago, Adran said: This would also make Crowd control and following orders better. No one tell the guild players! That's just one more reason I'm stoked to play lucius! Just wish I could get excited to paint that crew 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gozer Posted October 25, 2019 Report Share Posted October 25, 2019 This seems like the best thread to ask... Do we know yet what the Nekima Core Box will contain? It'd be nice to know what models I can scrounge up without getting duplicates if/when I buy the core. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kharnage Posted October 25, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 25, 2019 8 minutes ago, gozer said: Do we know yet what the Nekima Core Box will contain? It'd be nice to know what models I can scrounge up without getting duplicates if/when I buy the core. I haven't the faintest idea. If there's news, I'm hungry for it! I would have said that the God Empress would be one of the last people to get a core box because she already mostly has a fleshed out crew (minus of course her totem) but Lady J got a (in my humble, personal opinion) largely unnecessary copy-pasta box with new sculpts of the exact same models she had in her M2e box, so my understanding of logical box order is demonstrably weak. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solkan Posted October 25, 2019 Report Share Posted October 25, 2019 1 hour ago, Adran said: That's a solid justification. I hadn't thought to check wicked. This would also make Crowd control and following orders better. Crowd Control is going to be relevant. Following Orders it's going to be limited to more expensive models moving away: Quote After this model resolves an Action taken outside its Activation generated by a model with Cost higher than it, this model may draw a card. Disengage really is generating the actions, because of text like Quote Resistance Triggers cannot be declared by a model if they are targeted by an Action generated from their own Disengage Action. which calls it out as happening. It'll make getting tied up by a lawyer more annoying, but that's sending inexpensive models to try to tie up expensive models. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farmoar Posted January 29, 2020 Report Share Posted January 29, 2020 Teach me the ways of the God Empress, @Kharnage! I love the elite list, and ran something similar in 2E, but that was a "selling my models for a wedding ring" ago, and now I can't seem to find any of them anywhere for purchase Congrats though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogid Posted January 29, 2020 Report Share Posted January 29, 2020 @farmoar, he posted some info about his LVO games here: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nagi21 Posted February 1, 2020 Report Share Posted February 1, 2020 Yea congrats on winning that, but those matchups are very favorable to Nekima (save maybe Toni), so I'm not surprised the 6 activation Nekima alphastrike murder list worked well there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kharnage Posted February 1, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 1, 2020 20 minutes ago, Nagi21 said: Yea congrats on winning that, but those matchups are very favorable to Nekima (save maybe Toni), so I'm not surprised the 6 activation Nekima alphastrike murder list worked well there. Can you break down why Yan Lo is a "very favorable" matchup? Both Yan Los had Ash Ascendant and Manos's reliquary on Yan Lo turn 1, and ain't nobody killing that. I think both Yan Los lost 2 models over the course of each game. My killpower was not what won me the day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nagi21 Posted February 1, 2020 Report Share Posted February 1, 2020 1 minute ago, Kharnage said: Can you break down why Yan Lo is a "very favorable" matchup? Both Yan Los had Ash Ascendant and Manos's reliquary on Yan Lo turn 1, and ain't nobody killing that. I think both Yan Los lost 2 models over the course of each game. My killpower was not what won me the day. Because Yan Lo doesn't come into his best power until later on even if he has that early reliquary, and your crew is designed to score early and tie his up to make his ramp up difficult if not impossible (your report even says you were up 4-1 early in game 5). I didn't say it was the killing power that made it a favorable matchup. Mobility is king in 3e. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maniacal_cackle Posted February 1, 2020 Report Share Posted February 1, 2020 I don't understand Nekima as well as I'd like, but... If the list is super murder-y, can bog enemies down while scheming so well that it wins even if it isn't killing... It seems like a pretty great list? What does an unfavourable matchup look like? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nagi21 Posted February 1, 2020 Report Share Posted February 1, 2020 31 minutes ago, Maniacal_cackle said: I don't understand Nekima as well as I'd like, but... If the list is super murder-y, can bog enemies down while scheming so well that it wins even if it isn't killing... It seems like a pretty great list? What does an unfavourable matchup look like? Anything that has high access to range negates the combat finesse of Matures who don't have another built in defense (basically, outcasts, some guild, and some arcanists), anything that can massively out activate you while managing to keep those activation advantages (Summoners like Sandeep and Asami, but not all summoners) which isn't terribly hard since it only has 6 activations in that list, and anything that is just as much of an alphastrike always has a chance to nuke her before she nukes it (Shenlong, etc). I'm 90% certain that this list winning LVO was more Kharnage was probably the best player there, combined with nobody bringing anything particularly good vs Nekima, rather than the list being any good by itself. Honestly the 8-3 vs Toni win is the most surprising thing in my opinion, although his report said the player was somewhat new/rusty so probably that combined with a favorable strat/scheme pool. I hold high doubts this list would have the same success in a tournament where there were competitive Outcasts and Arcanists. 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.