A question was raised in my game vs Jack Daw recently
Undying: When this model suffers damage, it may discard a card. If it does so, the damage this model suffers is changed to 1 irreducible damage.
Consider Breath of Fire: Target suffers 2/3/4 damage. Models damaged by this Action gain Burning +1.
and the Blaze trigger: Models damaged by this Action gain Burning +1 for each in this Action's final duel total (to a maximum of Burning +2).
My opponent argued that if Jack Daw were hit by Breath of Fire and discarded a card for Undying, that Jack would not take burning from either Breath of Fire or the Blaze trigger. He argues that because Undying is changing the damage (as opposed to reducing) what is doing the damage to Jack is the Undying ability, not the Breath of Fire action, and therefore Jack was not damaged by Breath of Fire. Another possible interpretation is that when Jack changes the damage he overrides what is on the card, so Target suffers 2/3/4 damage. Models damaged by this Action gain Burning +1 ---> Target suffers 1 irreducible damage. I don't think my opponent agrees with this 2nd interpretation, but I'm gonna ask about it anyway while im here.
I do not think either interpretation is correct, because the damage is still coming from the attacking model, and if the irreducible damage were to kill Jack the attacker would receive kill credit (I believe, I think but my opponent would disagree). If the wording for Undying were "Prevent all damage done to this model, then it suffers 1 irreducible damage" then I could agree with the first interpretation, but it doesnt say that. As for the second interpretation, I do not think that Undying changes what is on the card; it changes the incoming damage to 1, but anything else that happens still happens.
I think the real sticking point for us, is if Jack uses Undying, is he still considered damaged by the Breath of Fire action (or w/e action is triggering Blaze), and if not, then would an attack still get kill credit if that 1 irreducible damage is what kills Jack
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Mycellanious
A question was raised in my game vs Jack Daw recently
Undying: When this model suffers damage, it may discard a card. If it does so, the damage this model suffers is changed to 1 irreducible damage.
Consider Breath of Fire: Target suffers 2/3/4 damage. Models damaged by this Action gain Burning +1.
and the Blaze trigger: Models damaged by this Action gain Burning +1 for each in this Action's final duel total (to a maximum of Burning +2).
My opponent argued that if Jack Daw were hit by Breath of Fire and discarded a card for Undying, that Jack would not take burning from either Breath of Fire or the Blaze trigger. He argues that because Undying is changing the damage (as opposed to reducing) what is doing the damage to Jack is the Undying ability, not the Breath of Fire action, and therefore Jack was not damaged by Breath of Fire. Another possible interpretation is that when Jack changes the damage he overrides what is on the card, so Target suffers 2/3/4 damage. Models damaged by this Action gain Burning +1 ---> Target suffers 1 irreducible damage. I don't think my opponent agrees with this 2nd interpretation, but I'm gonna ask about it anyway while im here.
I do not think either interpretation is correct, because the damage is still coming from the attacking model, and if the irreducible damage were to kill Jack the attacker would receive kill credit (I believe, I think but my opponent would disagree). If the wording for Undying were "Prevent all damage done to this model, then it suffers 1 irreducible damage" then I could agree with the first interpretation, but it doesnt say that. As for the second interpretation, I do not think that Undying changes what is on the card; it changes the incoming damage to 1, but anything else that happens still happens.
I think the real sticking point for us, is if Jack uses Undying, is he still considered damaged by the Breath of Fire action (or w/e action is triggering Blaze), and if not, then would an attack still get kill credit if that 1 irreducible damage is what kills Jack
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