Pale Rider question

[Hot4Perdita]

Just played my first 3e game. We ran into a issue trying to interpret the Chasing Fate ability. Here is the text from the card:

Chasing Fate (r): During the Start Phase, this model gains Fate Tokens equal to the current Turn number. When declaring Triggers, this model may discard any number of Fate Tokens to gain +r to its final duel total for each discarded Token.

 

So the two questions are:

1. Do fate tokens carry over turn to turn if you don’t use them? It would imply that they would, as there is no mention of discarding unused fate tokens.

2. When you use fate tokens, the text says “when declaring triggers”. So in the case of using the defensive trigger “Forged in War”, that trigger would be declared after the card flip, correct? So you flip to defend, then declare forged in war and use the desired fate tokens? Also, if using them on a printed action, you declare triggers after that flip as well normally, so would you declare fate token use at this time? My opponent seemed to think they would work like Soulstones, and their use requiring to be declared prior to flips. The text wouldn’t seem to support that, but there is no insight I could find in the rules either. 

 

Anyone that could clarify this issue is greatly appreciated. 

[solkan]

22 minutes ago, Hot4Perdita said:

1. Do fate tokens carry over turn to turn if you don’t use them?

Yes, tokens accumulate until some effect or other says to discard them, or the model leaves play.

25 minutes ago, Hot4Perdita said:

So in the case of using the defensive trigger “Forged in War”, that trigger would be declared after the card flip, correct? So you flip to defend, then declare forged in war and use the desired fate tokens? Also, if using them on a printed action, you declare triggers after that flip as well normally, so would you declare fate token use at this time?

The effect applies when it says it does, "when declaring triggers".  So it's 2.d.V if you're looking at the Detailed Timing chart.

So, yeah, it is better timing than soulstone usage.  

[trikk]

1) they move over to the next turn

2) you declare them after both players cheat

[Hot4Perdita]

So for the defensive trigger, you declare the trigger after any cheating, but before the damage flip? So essentially you have to predict how many fate tokens to use to prevent damage?

[trikk]

Yes.

[Hot4Perdita]

Thanks for the insight. That model is a lot better than I initially thought it was. 

[4thstringer]

Remember it's can't reduce to 0 too.