DerSkalde Posted July 24, 2019 Report Share Posted July 24, 2019 Hallo, we played it so far without LOS because the card says that she can create an Ice pillar „anywhere“ within 12“. We where focusing on the anywhere to explain that no LOS is needed. What do you think and is there anything in the rules? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1 solkan Posted July 24, 2019 Report Share Posted July 24, 2019 For Rasputina's Ice Pillar's Action (and its Trigger Frozen Domain), no line of sight to the created marker is specified (either directly in the effect, or indirectly in the referenced rules). It's as simple as the rules for Measuring (page 14 of the PDF): Quote Many times, a player will need to deter- mine if an object is in range of another. This is referring to the distance between the two objects. An object is within range if any portion of that object’s base is at that distance or closer. Any effect that references an object being “within” a dis- tance is talking about range. With that written, one of the simplest ways of specifying a distance that does require line of sight is to specify the distance like Rasputina's various abilities do: Quote within 8 Quote within 2 Quote within 1 of it or an Ice Pillar Marker or to use the word "target". To quote the Aura rules: Quote The Aura icon () means the Action or Ability affects an area around the object that has the Aura. An Aura extends out in all directions from an object a number of inches equal to the listed distance in inches, as mea- sured from the edge of the object's base. For example,3 means that everything within 3" and LoS of the object is affected by the Aura. (I blame editing fatigue for the fact that the line of sight requirement is introduced as an incidental fact in the last sentence instead of explicitly mentioned in the previous one. Pulses end up being used in a similar manner. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 DerSkalde Posted July 24, 2019 Author Report Share Posted July 24, 2019 Awesome, thank you! That is a good explanation why no LOS is needed. Great work! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 inbrain Posted November 17, 2019 Report Share Posted November 17, 2019 On 7/24/2019 at 9:52 AM, solkan said: (I blame editing fatigue for the fact that the line of sight requirement is introduced as an incidental fact in the last sentence instead of explicitly mentioned in the previous one. Pulses end up being used in a similar manner. That is .. unexpected finding for me good sir (I came here in search for an answer on placing pillars) Goes quite against to how I would assume 'emitting' some sort of aura would work in "game physics" (which I would expect to not require LOS). Thank you for clarification but I'm somewhat upset Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Mycellanious Posted November 17, 2019 Report Share Posted November 17, 2019 Second question, Frozen Domain trigger. When Resolving, create an addition Pilliar anywhere within range. Can range be drawn from the first pillar placed? Or because it is When Resolving both are considered placed at the same time? Or is it considered simultaneous effects, allowing you to choose the ordee they are placed, meaning you place one, and when you place the 2nd can draw LoS through the first Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Ogid Posted November 17, 2019 Report Share Posted November 17, 2019 I'd say she can't measure range at the same time from her and from an Ice Pilar. It also generates a weird interaction because she would bypass the discard a card requisite to declare the trigger doing it that way. Either she cast normally and then place both Pilars within 12'' of herself or she cast it measuring from a pilar, discard a card to be able to declare triggers, and then place 2 Ice Pilars within 12'' of that Ice Pilar. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 solkan Posted November 18, 2019 Report Share Posted November 18, 2019 4 hours ago, inbrain said: That is .. unexpected finding for me good sir (I came here in search for an answer on placing pillars) Goes quite against to how I would assume 'emitting' some sort of aura would work in "game physics" (which I would expect to not require LOS). Thank you for clarification but I'm somewhat upset For what it's worth, while the line of sight requirement for auras and pulses has been in each of the edition* of Malifaux, it's also been easy to overlook to various degrees in each edition. * What I know of the 1st edition rules is mirky, I think there were strange times where auras were allowed to seep through corners and such, but eventually line of sight got chosen for whatever reason. Presumably part of it was so that there would be a practical difference between 'within X"' and 'within X'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Hallo,
we played it so far without LOS because the card says that she can create an Ice pillar „anywhere“ within 12“.
We where focusing on the anywhere to explain that no LOS is needed.
What do you think and is there anything in the rules?
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