Amateur Contender Posted June 12, 2019 Report Share Posted June 12, 2019 In Corrupted Idols it states that Jokers require a re-flip. The question is: does this re-flip change your initiative score completely (from a 14 to, say, a re-flipped 3) or does it only affect the suit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 solkan Posted June 12, 2019 Report Share Posted June 12, 2019 2 hours ago, 11Anthonyc said: In Corrupted Idols it states that Jokers require a re-flip. The question is: does this re-flip change your initiative score completely (from a 14 to, say, a re-flipped 3) or does it only affect the suit? What it means is that If you won the initiative with a red joker, you don't use that card for the markers placement chart but instead flip a new card for it. The player won the initiative flip, they don't retroactively lose the initiative flip because they had the red joker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Adran Posted June 12, 2019 Report Share Posted June 12, 2019 It states that it happens after determining which player has initiative, so you already know who will be going first before you decide where to place the marker. As such, the fact you've flipped to replace the joker makes no difference to the initative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Amateur Contender Posted June 12, 2019 Author Report Share Posted June 12, 2019 Awesome! Thanks for clearing that up. You both were very helpful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Amateur Contender Posted June 12, 2019 Author Report Share Posted June 12, 2019 Am I right in assuming it would still be legal to cheat on that re-flip in order to get the suit that you want? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 DumbLuck Posted June 12, 2019 Report Share Posted June 12, 2019 My guess would be no, as it's not a duel of any type, it's just a flip. Plus if they wanted you to be able to pick any suit they would just allow it with the Red Joker since you would normally get to choose it's suit anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Amateur Contender Posted June 12, 2019 Author Report Share Posted June 12, 2019 @DumbLuck Taken from the manual: C. Initiative Flip: 1. Players simultaneously flip a card. 2. Players may Cheat Fate with a card from their hand, starting with the player with the lower flip (in a tie, the player with Initiative has the first opportunity to Cheat Fate). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Nikodemus Posted June 12, 2019 Report Share Posted June 12, 2019 1 hour ago, DumbLuck said: My guess would be no, as it's not a duel of any type, it's just a flip. Plus if they wanted you to be able to pick any suit they would just allow it with the Red Joker since you would normally get to choose it's suit anyway. Nothing in the rulebook indicates it has to be a duel. Page 9: Quote Cheating Fate Sometimes, a flip does not end up quite the way that you’d like. Malifaux gives players the chance to change their destiny by using Fate Cards from their hand to Cheat Fate. After flipping a card, a player has the opportunity to Cheat Fate by replacing the card they flipped into the Conflict with a card from their hand. And later on page 27 in a Waldo callout box: Quote Sometimes during a game you might ask yourself, “Can this flip be Cheated?” Yes, probably. There are two things that prohibit the ability to Cheat, though: -Modifiers and effects that specifically say otherwise. Everything else is fair game (or unfair game, am I right?). Rulebook quite consistently uses the word "flip" throughout. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 katadder Posted June 12, 2019 Report Share Posted June 12, 2019 4 hours ago, 11Anthonyc said: Am I right in assuming it would still be legal to cheat on that re-flip in order to get the suit that you want? Well if you flip a RJ chances are you will be 2nd cheating so can cheat in the suit you want unless obviously they got a 13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 santaclaws01 Posted June 12, 2019 Report Share Posted June 12, 2019 6 hours ago, solkan said: What it means is that If you won the initiative with a red joker, you don't use that card for the markers placement chart but instead flip a new card for it. The player won the initiative flip, they don't retroactively lose the initiative flip because they had the red joker. Just adding that it's not who won the flip, it's who has initiative, so it could also be the BJ being reflipped. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Adran Posted June 13, 2019 Report Share Posted June 13, 2019 15 hours ago, 11Anthonyc said: Am I right in assuming it would still be legal to cheat on that re-flip in order to get the suit that you want? The re-flip is a flip, and so by default it can be cheated. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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In Corrupted Idols it states that Jokers require a re-flip. The question is: does this re-flip change your initiative score completely (from a 14 to, say, a re-flipped 3) or does it only affect the suit?
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