4thstringer Posted May 30, 2019 Report Share Posted May 30, 2019 So, a friend of mine is blowing up our chat right now with all the disgusting things a molly crew can do with their "when you discard a card, gain this" abilities. Its making me feel jealous. What disgusting tricks have you found? The best I've seen in guild so far - As far as I can tell, Nino's combination of A por el and Spotter lets any and all friendly models within LOS have an action for a discarded card at the end of his activation. Not as exciting, but I don't think it is immediately obvious- Augmented Constructs with a power token on them can use the bonus action to push themselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trikk Posted May 30, 2019 Report Share Posted May 30, 2019 Step 1) Pick Judge Step 2) Use Risk of Reason Step 3) Show your opponent the card after he says you can't read Step 4) Look at jaw drop Step 5) Profit ??? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4thstringer Posted May 30, 2019 Author Report Share Posted May 30, 2019 1 minute ago, trikk said: Step 1) Pick Judge Step 2) Use Risk of Reason Step 3) Show your opponent the card after he says you can't read Step 4) Look at jaw drop Step 5) Profit ??? I swear, if you get him nerfed for the general release I am going to be very sore with you. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trikk Posted May 30, 2019 Report Share Posted May 30, 2019 2 minutes ago, 4thstringer said: I swear, if you get him nerfed for the general release I am going to be very sore with you. He deserves it as much as Family Values needs a buff 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4thstringer Posted May 30, 2019 Author Report Share Posted May 30, 2019 1 minute ago, trikk said: He deserves it as much as Family Values needs a buff The problem is, kind of like last edition with Frank, I feel like the whole faction (outside of lucius) is basically balanced on the idea that the Judge can fix it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cathaidan Posted May 30, 2019 Report Share Posted May 30, 2019 I have been having all kinds of fun with tricks that the Marshals can pull off. (Granted, I only finished painting up a Family crew last night, so it is all I have played so far.) My personal favorite was a single turn against a Red Chapel crew. Lady J attacks Bette, and she buries to avoid 2 damage and other attacks. Activate a Death Marshal, charge Seamus, miss the attack and then cheat to Pine Box on the 2nd action and popping Bette for 1 wound. Then Jury activates, popping Bette to 5 damage taken and Seamus to 2 damage taken. Jury then proceeded to go and sit in a corner, obeying anything that got close to charge away from her while scoring Outflank, and stacking damage onto anything the Marshals happened to Pine Box or Bette any time she tried to negate damage by burying. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgan Vening Posted May 30, 2019 Report Share Posted May 30, 2019 Always good to remember that Brutal Emissary and Pale Rider are Undead for the Domadores. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikes Posted May 31, 2019 Report Share Posted May 31, 2019 13 hours ago, 4thstringer said: I swear, if you get him nerfed for the general release I am going to be very sore with you. Him....? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikodemus Posted May 31, 2019 Report Share Posted May 31, 2019 2 hours ago, Mikes said: Him....? Old sculpt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tapdancer Posted May 31, 2019 Report Share Posted May 31, 2019 17 hours ago, 4thstringer said: I swear, if you get him nerfed for the general release I am going to be very sore with you. Is there something weird about this or is it actually reveal 5 cards, probably keep 3-4 and take 2-4 damage depending on level of luck. Just read Nino card. Is the interplay of his and judges ability been read generating AP for the judge? is his discarding generating 1 AP or in theory multiple AP? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chou Posted May 31, 2019 Report Share Posted May 31, 2019 5 minutes ago, Tapdancer said: Is there something weird about this or is it actually reveal 5 cards, probably keep 3-4 and take 2-4 damage depending on level of luck. And there is the chance that you don't get the damage but cause damage to the enemy; you have to discard the tomes, but the crows from the trigger doesn't say anything about discarding, oh yeah! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4thstringer Posted May 31, 2019 Author Report Share Posted May 31, 2019 I might be reading spotter wrong, but I think Judge isn't even our best card draw now. Every time Nino hits with his gun, he can discard a card to make family values trigger for every friendly model in LOS. that's draw a card for each of them. Now, I don't think this is going to survive final printing, but it's pretty incredible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tapdancer Posted May 31, 2019 Report Share Posted May 31, 2019 52 minutes ago, 4thstringer said: I might be reading spotter wrong, but I think Judge isn't even our best card draw now. Every time Nino hits with his gun, he can discard a card to make family values trigger for every friendly model in LOS. that's draw a card for each of them. Now, I don't think this is going to survive final printing, but it's pretty incredible. Surely the final print deadline has already passed. I'm guessing spotter should be written Quote This model's a affect any (rather than every) friendly model within LoS, ignoring range. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4thstringer Posted May 31, 2019 Author Report Share Posted May 31, 2019 37 minutes ago, Tapdancer said: Surely the final print deadline has already passed. I'm guessing spotter should be written I would assume some change like that will be made, but if not... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tapdancer Posted May 31, 2019 Report Share Posted May 31, 2019 44 minutes ago, 4thstringer said: I would assume some change like that will be made, but if not... digging deeper into this vain of filth. Would there be an argument that as worded could spotter mean that his family value trigger affects all friendly models not just friendly family models ? This could end up as big brain good.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4thstringer Posted May 31, 2019 Author Report Share Posted May 31, 2019 2 hours ago, Tapdancer said: digging deeper into this vain of filth. Would there be an argument that as worded could spotter mean that his family value trigger affects all friendly models not just friendly family models ? This could end up as big brain good.... Yup, and it also obliterates the points limitation, because it now effects all friendly models. I think it is better than BBB, which I expect to mean it wont survive. On the family values trigger, it would also be bananas, giving all friendlies in LOS a card or concentration. (and if you do it with elite models, the lawyers, false witnesses, scribe, and changelings get a card when they take the concentrate action out of turn), 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tapdancer Posted May 31, 2019 Report Share Posted May 31, 2019 Heck every and all Guild crew now come with added Nino 🤣 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludvig Posted May 31, 2019 Report Share Posted May 31, 2019 There has to be an autoinclude from the family keyword, that's our defining faction gimmick. 😅 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoffer Posted May 31, 2019 Report Share Posted May 31, 2019 Spotter doesn't change wordings of Nino's auras, it only removes range restrictions. Family values says "a Family model", so only one and only Family model in LoS can benefit from it regardless of range. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tapdancer Posted May 31, 2019 Report Share Posted May 31, 2019 2 minutes ago, Scoffer said: Spotter doesn't change wordings of Nino's auras, it only removes range restrictions. Family values says "a Family model", so only one and only Family model in LoS can benefit from it regardless of range. That maybe what games designer intended but it's not how it has been written. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoffer Posted May 31, 2019 Report Share Posted May 31, 2019 1 minute ago, Tapdancer said: That maybe what games designer intended but it's not how it has been written. It's written quite clear. Take a look at Auras section p.30: All models inside the Aura’s area, including what is generating the Aura, are affected by the Aura as long as they stay inside the area and remain in Line of Sight of the generating object. All models (=every model) are affected by any aura, as long as they are in LoS and range. But you can use aura's effect only on one model, if it says "a model". 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amateur Contender Posted May 31, 2019 Report Share Posted May 31, 2019 I gotta agree with Scoffer, as much as I want Nino to be an awesome auto-include faction wide buffer. The trick is though, to find ways to give Nino awesome auras that have no range limit. Right now, none of the upgrades give out aura abilities. But maybe another guild model can? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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