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So is 3rd not launching with a new starter box?

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So i found back in 2nd the two player 'sanitarium breakout' box was a great place to get friends into the game. You got a basic rulebook, 2 mini crews of unique models, two measuring tapes, two fate decks and it was a well put together series of scenarios to slowly teach the game. I bought a few as gifts and used my own to demo the game to friends and it worked very well. Now the preorder stuff for 3rd is coming out and i've seen the core rules, faction books, a few crew boxes and a few fate boxes but no starter.

Does this mean the previous one is still intended for use, anothers coming down the road or there simply isn't one? I'm only speaking from personal experience but if i told someone they had to blindly pick a crew box, buy the core rules, maybe the faction book, a measuring tape and a deck of cards then hope someone else did as well to try to see if they like the game they would give it a hard pass as that would seem like too much investment on something they might not enjoy.

 Now i personally enjoy it and will have plenty of models from 2nd alone to teach friends to play but it just looks like i either missed an announcement or they are getting rid of a really cool, easy and affordable way to give people a taste of the game and theres a lot of skirmish games i've seen go ignored because they expect you to just drop a bunch of money down and hope you can find someone who did the same and that seems like a step backwards for what in 2nd was considered one of the best entries into a skirmish game period.

 

 So did i miss it like an idiot or is there actually no 2 player starter for 3rd?

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Didn't the m2e starter appear years after m2e dropped or am I just senile? I think the multitude of two-faction boxed sets that now exist would be complemented well by a starter kit with a couple of cheap decks and startup rules. The old set was annoying for those of us who just liked the models but had all the other stuff. This sollution would lead to a more modular starting experience.

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18 minutes ago, Ludvig said:

Didn't the m2e starter appear years after m2e dropped or am I just senile?

Their cards are in book 3 at least.

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45 minutes ago, Ludvig said:

Didn't the m2e starter appear years after m2e dropped or am I just senile? I think the multitude of two-faction boxed sets that now exist would be complemented well by a starter kit with a couple of cheap decks and startup rules. The old set was annoying for those of us who just liked the models but had all the other stuff. This sollution would lead to a more modular starting experience.

Putting out a version of the rulebook that comes with a fate deck might help alleviate the whole "so i gotta go here for this and here for that" startup issue, but it feels like someone starting fresh might still find themselves a bit hard up if they get the wrong core box. Like i've preordered the Youko box and i'm an existing TT player so have other models to support it but that box really isn't beginner friendly at all but how would a beginner know that when its just one of half a dozen boxes labelled 'core box' at the start of the new edition?

 

Maybe some kind of 'start collecting' style deal on the Wyrd store could help. Put two of the core boxes that are more beginner friendly together with two decks and the rules or something.

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22 minutes ago, dope_danny said:

Putting out a version of the rulebook that comes with a fate deck might help alleviate the whole "so i gotta go here for this and here for that" startup issue, but it feels like someone starting fresh might still find themselves a bit hard up if they get the wrong core box. Like i've preordered the Youko box and i'm an existing TT player so have other models to support it but that box really isn't beginner friendly at all but how would a beginner know that when its just one of half a dozen boxes labelled 'core box' at the start of the new edition?

 

Maybe some kind of 'start collecting' style deal on the Wyrd store could help. Put two of the core boxes that are more beginner friendly together with two decks and the rules or something.

I didn't mean masterboxes but the henchman hardcore style boxes with 4 + 4 models from two different factions. The webstore could bundle those with a starter rules box at a slight discount or something. There is guild + neverborn, arcanists + gremlins and ressers + tt so most factions are represented. Bundling rules with master boxes could also work of course but those are rarely balanced for initial play, the smaller crews seemed good as starting options to get right into the game.

50 minutes ago, Nikodemus said:

Their cards are in book 3 at least.

Yeah, I just meant that m2e also launched without any form of starter box.. It would be nice with a better option this time around, hence the idea for a "pick your own starter" kind of bundle with the current henchman boxes. I haven't kept up to speed in the beta, I guess they are versatile still? Any hope that those crews are actually dual faction as well or is that option completely removed from m3e?

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28 minutes ago, Ludvig said:

I haven't kept up to speed in the beta, I guess they are versatile still? 

Yeah, they were made Versatile.  Not quite as flexible as being M2E Mercenary, but I'm not sure how much cross faction use those models really saw...

28 minutes ago, Ludvig said:

Any hope that those crews are actually dual faction as well or is that option completely removed from m3e?

Dual faction is still a thing that exists in 3rd edition.  There was some shuffling of allegiances (most of which the late 2nd edition books were telegraphing).

There have been a few threads discussing how to adapt the starter booklet for 3rd edition, and a few threads discussing what changes to make for henchman hardcore as well.  After the announcement that there's going to be henchman hardcore events at GenCon, I've been waiting to see what Wyrd's ideas for it are.

 

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Hasn’t one of our henchmen already lightly re-written the scenarios for M3e rules? An awkward solution only because the starter set was better for player communities without an existing meta (any henchman happily jumped on the opportunity to match newbie to crew box).

1 hour ago, solkan said:

Yeah, they were made Versatile.  Not quite as flexible as being M2E Mercenary, but I'm not sure how much cross faction use those models really saw...

I think I was the only known instance after people decided M2E Angel Eyes’ ability to use soulstones didn’t compensate for her cost. Bloodwretch in a Hoffman ‘Gun turret’ crew was very niche and very, very satisfying.

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