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Extra attacks from Blood in the Water


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We've got a debate going locally about Blood in the Water, the ability of the frenzy that says:

Blood in the Water: After a Fireteam in this Squad resolves a :ToS-Melee: Action, it may discard a Reinforcement Token to take the Action again.

The question was if an attack is generated by this ability, is that extra generated attack subject to the limitations on extra attacks?  Reference:

Some Actions (or their Triggers) are capable of generating additional Actions. 
If a Fireteam is unable to take an additional Action (perhaps because there are no targets within range), the additional Action is ignored.
As a further restriction, additional Actions cannot create additional Actions of their own. If they would do so, any subsequent additional Actions are ignored.

The question is if the clause on additional Actions not making additional Actions is tied to the part about triggers and actions, or if it's just any additional action at all.

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4 hours ago, Thisendup said:

Strictly by the rules as written, Blood in the Water is not a trigger, it's an ability. It is not even on the same line as the melee attack, Tear Apart.

All of these observations are irrelevant.  The effect Blood in the Water generates an additional Attack.  We know this because no effect (action, trigger, or otherwise) says that it generates an "additional" Attack.  Instead, everything says things like "Take this Action again" or "Take a :ToS-Melee:Action."

So the conclusion is:  Did you perform an Action and have an effect generate an Action?  If so, that generated Action is an Additional Action.

Because there's the very simple counter example:

Frenzy Fireteam A takes a :ToS-Melee:Action against an enemy unit, kills it, and spends a Reinforcement token without stopping to look at the table.  To the player's horror, no enemy fireteams remain in range of that fireteam.  Both players are now trapped, unable to continue their game and doomed because the statement

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If a Fireteam is unable to take an additional Action (perhaps because there are no targets within range), the additional Action is ignored.

doesn't apply to them.  Instead, they must continue for the rest of time trying to take the impossible Action.  😎

 

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Strictly by the rules as written, Blood in the Water is not a trigger, it's an ability. It is not even on the same line as the melee attack, Tear Apart. While I play it as each Frenzy may only use 1 reinforcement token to generate and extra attack (for up to 6 total) as written, you could potentially generate an amazing number of attacks if you keep getting crows (for free reinforcement tokens). I do not believe this is what the writers intended with that ability.

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