Can a unit Reinforce with no reinforce token?

[Mikael H]

Hey, 

Can you Reinforce a unit with no reinforcement token? (adding two models is conditioned on discarding a token, but the "attempt" to discard the token seems to be an effect of the unit Reinforcing and i cant find anything about this requiring the unit to have a token). This would of-course be irrelevant for most units since adding 0 models is rather pointless, but units with Reserves X would essentially regenerate a few models each turn even with no token (0+x). All the units with the reserves rule seem really weak so it seems entirely plausible that this is the intent, however it could have been written much more clearly. 

[retnab]

No, you need to discard a Reinforcement Token to Reinforce

[retnab]

3 minutes ago, Mikael H said:

Where does it say that?

Reinforce: "...When a unit Reinforces, it discards one of its Reinforcement Tokens to add two models to the Fireteams in its unit."

Reserves: "When a unit with the Reserves special unit rule Reinforces (see pg. 28), it may add an additional number of models up to the Reserves value (x). It must follow all other Reinforce rules."

[solkan]

20 minutes ago, Mikael H said:

If the intent was to only allow this using a token there are numerus places where they could have put this. Here it could have said "units with reinforce tokens can reinforce by discarding one...." or under the description of the token itself it could have said it enables a unit to Reinforce, or the start or turn sequence could have said "can reinforce any number of units with reinforce tokens". 

I do not think you're going to be happy with the style in which the rules have been written.   

In order to get models back when you Reinforce, you need to discard a Reinforcement token.  You're only allowed to discard the one token, not multiple tokens.  If the unit that Reinforces has the Reserves(X) rule, when it discards that token it gets back X more models.

Part of the reason for the disconnect, as far as I can tell, is the mutual annihilation mechanism where Pinned Tokens and Reinforcement Tokens cancel each other out.  There are effects that give out Reinforcement tokens and then say that the unit reinforces.  If the unit had Pinned tokens, one of them cancels out the Reinforcement Token and the unit ends up not being able to regain any models.

 

[Mikael H]

3 minutes ago, retnab said:

No, you need to discard a Reinforcement Token to Reinforce

Where does it say that?

[Mikael H]

9 minutes ago, retnab said:

Reinforce: "...When a unit Reinforces, it discards one of its Reinforcement Tokens to add two models to the Fireteams in its unit."

Reserves: "When a unit with the Reserves special unit rule Reinforces (see pg. 28), it may add an additional number of models up to the Reserves value (x). It must follow all other Reinforce rules."

That formulation of reinforce is exactly why one may argue a unit may reinforce without a token. "WHEN a unit Reinforces..." is a rather strong implication that Reinforce has to have already happened in order for the rest of the sentence to apply. This sentence does not condition reinforce to having a token. 

If the intent was to only allow this using a token there are numerus places where they could have put this. Here it could have said "units with reinforce tokens can reinforce by discarding one...." or under the description of the token itself it could have said it enables a unit to Reinforce, or the start or turn sequence could have said "can reinforce any number of units with reinforce tokens".