melkore Posted July 26, 2018 Report Share Posted July 26, 2018 You get Lucius, the future master Dashel, Lawyers and Guild Guards which both will be making great use of in M3E. I'm a Neverborn/Arcanist player but picking this box and C.Hoffman will give me 3 Guild masters to play with if I wanted to make the jump. That's a pretty low barrier of entry into Guild! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longfanz Posted July 26, 2018 Report Share Posted July 26, 2018 Well, the possibility of a new Dashel/Lucius box still exists though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludvig Posted July 26, 2018 Report Share Posted July 26, 2018 You don't know which models they will want after the switch, Dashel should be getting a totem of his own which will not be available as a single purchase so you are setting yourself up for duplicates and potentially wanting to rebuy because the new sculpt looks amazing. Guild guard might be like they were early m2e and Dashel might get mounted guardsmen in his box etc. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clockwork_Fish Posted July 26, 2018 Report Share Posted July 26, 2018 Suddenly the recent Monday previews make more sense. Maybe the False Witnesses will be Lucius’ default minion? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Impact UK Posted July 27, 2018 Report Share Posted July 27, 2018 11 hours ago, Clockwork_Fish said: Suddenly the recent Monday previews make more sense. Maybe the False Witnesses will be Lucius’ default minion? Sounds very Lucius. 17 hours ago, Ludvig said: You don't know which models they will want after the switch, Dashel should be getting a totem of his own which will not be available as a single purchase so you are setting yourself up for duplicates and potentially wanting to rebuy because the new sculpt looks amazing. Guild guard might be like they were early m2e and Dashel might get mounted guardsmen in his box etc. Given the speed that Wyrd release models it maybe a good idea to get them now so you only have the totem to proxy. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludvig Posted July 27, 2018 Report Share Posted July 27, 2018 True, if you want to play Dashel within the next two or three years I guess now is the time. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McSkip Posted July 27, 2018 Report Share Posted July 27, 2018 I personaly will Not purchase any models untill I have an idea what keywords they get 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Impact UK Posted July 27, 2018 Report Share Posted July 27, 2018 6 minutes ago, McSkip said: I personaly will Not purchase any models untill I have an idea what keywords they get From a gaming point of view I am with you 100%, however I sort of run on the rule of cool and will be adding to my collection regardless of the rules they may have. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clockwork_Fish Posted July 27, 2018 Report Share Posted July 27, 2018 They have stated that some models will be considered versatile and can be hired without penalty. We also don’t know yet if models can have multiple keywords. Sort of like Lelu and Lilitu being Nightmare/Sorrow/Nephilim. There will probably be a lot of flexibility in the hiring pool. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevinsmith101 Posted July 27, 2018 Report Share Posted July 27, 2018 I'm concerned that with my current list being lucius and minions that the hire by type will shaft me. At the moment I run... Monster Hunter...family Investigator....guardsmen The jury.... marshal Witchling thralls....witch hunters I anticipate these loosing synergy or being unplayable together due to increased cost ( depending on what the slight penalty is exactly) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
le_wahou Posted July 27, 2018 Report Share Posted July 27, 2018 There will be new stat cards for every models. Your "dream list" will probably be changed with these new cards anyway. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franchute Posted July 27, 2018 Report Share Posted July 27, 2018 6 hours ago, Kevinsmith101 said: I'm concerned that with my current list being lucius and minions that the hire by type will shaft me. At the moment I run... Monster Hunter...family Investigator....guardsmen The jury.... marshal Witchling thralls....witch hunters I anticipate these loosing synergy or being unplayable together due to increased cost ( depending on what the slight penalty is exactly) we dont know how Lucius' playstyle will evolve. He may not care about minions anymore. The description Wyrd put on their webpage does not include the word "minion". 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnomezilla Posted July 27, 2018 Report Share Posted July 27, 2018 It’s hard to guess how Lucius and Dashel will divvy up their sort-of-shared models. I just got Guild investigators, and I’m going to enjoy them in my M2E games yet to come, but I have no idea who’s going to claim them come next edition. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludvig Posted July 27, 2018 Report Share Posted July 27, 2018 @Kevinsmith101 He might get a rule to hire more freely than others if they keep his thing being minions between themes. The game currently has Marcus, Collodi and Levi who hire from (almost) every factions so I think a freer hiring within a new faction won't be the end of the world. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwoDee Posted July 27, 2018 Report Share Posted July 27, 2018 Starting M2E with Lucius finally pays off! 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewrathchilde Posted July 28, 2018 Report Share Posted July 28, 2018 I already like Dashel in M2E. I may be in the minority who actually assembled, painted, and uses him but contrary to the popular view I find him to be a bargain 8SS for Armor, HtK, 9 WD....let's your other Guardsmen w/n 6" focus as a (0), gives (+) flips to Sh attack actions w/n 6", built in MI trigger that hands out slow or built in Critical Strike, CA vs WK to summon a Guild Guard, and a Reactivate (and Sacrifice at the end of turn) action for that critical turn where you need that minion to double activate to drop that scheme marker, finish off a key target, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludvig Posted July 28, 2018 Report Share Posted July 28, 2018 @thewrathchilde I hated Dashel when he was 9ss and didn't have a 0 upgrade. Would have preferred to have a usable buff totem at about 3 or 4 ss like the drill sergeant that he used to be. These days he is very nice and I don't see people haring on him but that is after two rounds of errata to him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevinsmith101 Posted July 28, 2018 Report Share Posted July 28, 2018 It certainly sounds like he will keep his support master theme which is great because people always compared him to nellie and it appears hers is changing too according to the brief ramble for each master. I think we have another solid year of 2nd yet as with wyrds current ability to keep to a release shedual my wave 5 models i wanted to play games with in 2nd ed could still not arrive before 3rd starts if they do an early 2019 release lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewrathchilde Posted July 29, 2018 Report Share Posted July 29, 2018 21 hours ago, Ludvig said: @thewrathchilde I hated Dashel when he was 9ss and didn't have a 0 upgrade. Would have preferred to have a usable buff totem at about 3 or 4 ss like the drill sergeant that he used to be. These days he is very nice and I don't see people haring on him but that is after two rounds of errata to him. I think a lot of people are just missing out and got so used to disregarding him they don't see how much value he has. I am not going to rehash everyone I already said but talk aboutt value- 8SS, 9 WD, HtK, Armour +1, MI that hands out slow or is Min 3 damage...... that without even getting into summoning or buffing other guardsmen. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
admiralvorkraft Posted July 29, 2018 Report Share Posted July 29, 2018 Dashel has been good since Arrest Him came out, but at 8ss he's a steal. I haven't run much with him lately as I've rediscovered how much fun Graves and Tannen are together, but I'll miss having Dashel in my Lucius crews come M3E. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewrathchilde Posted July 29, 2018 Report Share Posted July 29, 2018 1 minute ago, admiralvorkraft said: Dashel has been good since Arrest Him came out, but at 8ss he's a steal. I haven't run much with him lately as I've rediscovered how much fun Graves and Tannen are together, but I'll miss having Dashel in my Lucius crews come M3E. I agree completely. However, I don't just run him with Lucius....I have several builds where I use him with Nellie and have some templated ideas I want to try out using him with Sonnia and Perdita. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
admiralvorkraft Posted July 29, 2018 Report Share Posted July 29, 2018 My Sonnia crew is pretty set, though I could probably run him instead of Gage... I mostly run him with Lucius because I mostly run Lucius Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deathinabox Posted July 29, 2018 Report Share Posted July 29, 2018 2 hours ago, admiralvorkraft said: Dashel has been good since Arrest Him came out, but at 8ss he's a steal. I haven't run much with him lately as I've rediscovered how much fun Graves and Tannen are together, but I'll miss having Dashel in my Lucius crews come M3E. Luckily, with being able to hire multiple masters in M3E, you can probably still run them together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuBlanck Posted July 29, 2018 Report Share Posted July 29, 2018 I got good mileage out of Dashel when using Riflemen (because (0) with those boys is nasty) but even after the price drop and Arrest Him! he still seems to be of limited use if you're not leaning into the Guardsman synergy. Two Riflemen and him make a scary firebase, but you need a good shooting gallery, and that costs a third of your crew, and is easily shut down. I played him a lot, mainly because I like thematic crews and I like Lucius, but even with the upgrade I felt like I was wasting AP with him a lot - sending him forward means he doesn't cover your Riflemen, holding him back means pot shots with his underwhelming pistol, if there's a target close enough to Arrest then your Riflemen are probably about to get eaten. He's decent as a brawler, but we have better, and the old complaint that he buffs bad models up to mediocre is valid in my eyes. Having done all that whingeing, I will be playing the hell out of him in M3E. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
admiralvorkraft Posted July 29, 2018 Report Share Posted July 29, 2018 8 hours ago, Deathinabox said: Luckily, with being able to hire multiple masters in M3E, you can probably still run them together. We'll see... I already don't like expensive models so it's not super appealing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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