MalifauxDave Posted July 5, 2018 Report Share Posted July 5, 2018 At the moment the only non-outcast undead and constructs I have are: A guardian, a watcher and a hunter. I can't imagine the upgrade being worth it to take one or more of these guys so I guess the question is how much of Levi's power comes from his huge hiring pool? I'm sure I could throw together some combination of freikorps, void and merc good stuff together. I'm just not sure if its worth it without the out of faction models. If it is I'll probably finish building and priming this week if not it will go on the back burner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adran Posted July 5, 2018 Report Share Posted July 5, 2018 He can play fine with only outcasts. You don't need a pariah upgrades. Sure, the more options you have for hiring, the stronger he can be, but it's a law of diminishing returns. So owning necropunks for stake a claim makes him much stronger in that game, but not so much in other games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MalifauxDave Posted July 5, 2018 Author Report Share Posted July 5, 2018 58 minutes ago, Adran said: Necropunks Are there any other models that would be good to pick up over time? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zebo Posted July 5, 2018 Report Share Posted July 5, 2018 I would recommend Terracota Warrior. That way you can change the Pariah upgrade in game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adran Posted July 5, 2018 Report Share Posted July 5, 2018 1 hour ago, MalifauxDave said: Are there any other models that would be good to pick up over time? Honestly I'm a rubbish person to answer this. I have too many models and will happily build obscure mixes to try them out. My advice is to play what you have, see where you struggle, and then look for ways to deal with that problem. And that probably means the purchase order for you would be different to mine. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seadhna Posted July 5, 2018 Report Share Posted July 5, 2018 His Wave 5 limited upgrade is so good I stopped playing Bone altogether. So it’s either in-faction or Iron with just Terracotta to swap upgrades and maybe Arcane Effigy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
katadder Posted July 5, 2018 Report Share Posted July 5, 2018 I rarely play with pariah.have used bone since wave 5 for kentauroi but even then most my crews are full outcast Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zebo Posted July 5, 2018 Report Share Posted July 5, 2018 6 hours ago, MalifauxDave said: Are there any other models that would be good to pick up over time? images.mp4 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nukemouse Posted July 6, 2018 Report Share Posted July 6, 2018 Levi's ability to hire out of faction isn't really all that. You can grab some neat things and there's one or two neat combos, but outcasts now have models that help fill most niches without needing to rely on the out of faction hiring. Levi's hiring pool used to be amazing, but that was back when there were not many options in outcasts themselves. Now with 5 books of models every faction can usually bring a variety of solutions to their problems instead of only having limited choices. That said, a mobile toolkit wouldn't hurt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davos Posted July 24, 2018 Report Share Posted July 24, 2018 I find that he works best with a combination of in/out of faction models. I run exclusively Iron and have seen very strong results. Terracotta is a must (switching upgrades allows multiple Oathkeepers on Levi which is insane, as well as Ancient Protections which makes any of the strong enforcers you're bringing into insanely hard to kill), Necropunks are universally good for basically any scheme running or interaction-based Strategy (Symbols, Ply, Dig Graves, Search Ruins, Recover Evidence, etc) I love the Hooded Rider, he is a mobile killing tank whole projects power across the majority of the board. Peacekeeper can be a strong pick, great beater (especially with Ancient Protections) and denies scheming (he can eat scheme markers in a pulse). Guardian, watcher, and hunter I don't use, but all have places in certain builds I feel. I personally feel that Levi is strongest with a mix of models from out of faction, but that's just me. Obviously it comes down to money you want to spend, but if you want to play Levi in a competitive setting, I strongly encourage some outside faction models. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
katadder Posted July 24, 2018 Report Share Posted July 24, 2018 You can easily play Levi in a competitive setting without going out of faction. I have been for years. Outcasts just have so many good models these days Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davos Posted July 25, 2018 Report Share Posted July 25, 2018 I've found that in the comparisons between the base Outcast models are the choice models that can be brought-in from outside, those models generally have some clear benefit or advantage. That being said, that's just my experience. I've never tried to run a dedicated Outcast Levi list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MunkyMuddFace Posted July 27, 2018 Report Share Posted July 27, 2018 I basically play two lists with Leveticus - Horsemen and All In on Theme. Horsemen: Leveticus Pale Rider Hooded Rider Dead Rider Waif x 2 Hodgepodge Emissary > Mech Rider All In on Theme: Leveticus Alyce Waif x 2 Ashes and Dust Abominatinos x 4 > Card draw then summon Desolation Engine In both lists, the spare 10 SS go towards upgrades/model for flavor or strat/scheme utility. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seadhna Posted July 30, 2018 Report Share Posted July 30, 2018 Burning Levi! Good staying power, bunch of crazy mobility, lots of burning, decent killiness Declared Faction: Outcasts Crew Name: Fire Levi 50ss Leader: Leveticus - Cache:(7)_Pariah of Iron 1ss _Oath Keeper 1ss Hollow Waif 0ss Hollow Waif 0ss Fire Golem 9ss _Scramble 1ss Wanyudo 8ss _Scramble 1ss Grave Golem 9ss _The Bigger They Are 1ss Arcane Effigy 4ss Terracotta Warrior 6ss Mobile Toolkit 3ss thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KID55 Posted August 6, 2018 Report Share Posted August 6, 2018 On 7/31/2018 at 5:30 AM, Seadhna said: Burning Levi! Good staying power, bunch of crazy mobility, lots of burning, decent killiness Declared Faction: Outcasts Crew Name: Fire Levi 50ss Leader: Leveticus - Cache:(7)_Pariah of Iron 1ss _Oath Keeper 1ss Hollow Waif 0ss Hollow Waif 0ss Fire Golem 9ss _Scramble 1ss Wanyudo 8ss _Scramble 1ss Grave Golem 9ss _The Bigger They Are 1ss Arcane Effigy 4ss Terracotta Warrior 6ss Mobile Toolkit 3ss thoughts? What Grave Golem does in this list? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seadhna Posted August 6, 2018 Report Share Posted August 6, 2018 3 hours ago, KID55 said: What Grave Golem does in this list? Min 4, doesn't really die, can actually be bombed up the board with Levi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KID55 Posted August 7, 2018 Report Share Posted August 7, 2018 On 8/6/2018 at 6:19 PM, Seadhna said: Min 4, doesn't really die, can actually be bombed up the board with Levi Yeah, looked on it's card, damage output may be huge. But how Leveticus deliver him in enemy face? + not actualy thematic if we talk abut burning) But that's interesting to test in vassal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seadhna Posted August 7, 2018 Report Share Posted August 7, 2018 1 hour ago, KID55 said: Yeah, looked on it's card, damage output may be huge. But how Leveticus deliver him in enemy face? + not actualy thematic if we talk abut burning) But that's interesting to test in vassal Kill a model, make a corpse marker Bury the golem, unbury EoT at the corpse marker PROFIT! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KID55 Posted August 8, 2018 Report Share Posted August 8, 2018 Hmmm, that interesting. But need win initiatiative on next turn. That's thing is immortal, but easy to bury. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KID55 Posted August 15, 2018 Report Share Posted August 15, 2018 On 7/31/2018 at 5:30 AM, Seadhna said: Burning Levi! Good staying power, bunch of crazy mobility, lots of burning, decent killiness Declared Faction: Outcasts Crew Name: Fire Levi 50ss Leader: Leveticus - Cache:(7)_Pariah of Iron 1ss _Oath Keeper 1ss Hollow Waif 0ss Hollow Waif 0ss Fire Golem 9ss _Scramble 1ss Wanyudo 8ss _Scramble 1ss Grave Golem 9ss _The Bigger They Are 1ss Arcane Effigy 4ss Terracotta Warrior 6ss Mobile Toolkit 3ss thoughts? What do you think about Rail Golem instead of Grave Golem? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nukemouse Posted August 17, 2018 Report Share Posted August 17, 2018 I'm not sure you are going to create many corpses, so grave golem might have a problem there. Rail Golem doesn't have any way to boost its Ml, lower the enemy DF or prevent cheating so it might have trouble dishing out its big damage. Perhaps Talos (he technically has burning!) would be a better choice? If the Fire Golem or Wanyudo have good casts you could use hannah or lazarus to copy them and don't forget the Obsidian Statue is a thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seadhna Posted August 20, 2018 Report Share Posted August 20, 2018 On 8/17/2018 at 8:18 PM, Nukemouse said: I'm not sure you are going to create many corpses, so grave golem might have a problem there. Rail Golem doesn't have any way to boost its Ml, lower the enemy DF or prevent cheating so it might have trouble dishing out its big damage. Perhaps Talos (he technically has burning!) would be a better choice? If the Fire Golem or Wanyudo have good casts you could use hannah or lazarus to copy them and don't forget the Obsidian Statue is a thing. Levi creates plenty of corpses himself, you just need to pick your targets. Rail is too low Ml to be effective, and other Golems already want Tomes for burning triggers There might be some value in Vanessa with her obey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KID55 Posted August 20, 2018 Report Share Posted August 20, 2018 But you can buff him with Mobile Toolkit on on attack flip. Stat 5 with it's good (Sue, for example) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zebo Posted October 13, 2018 Report Share Posted October 13, 2018 I know this is not the place for this question, but it's about Leveticus's fluff and I don't think it worth to open a new thread only for this. There's any reason Fluff-wise about Leveticus not being Resurrectionist? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KID55 Posted October 17, 2018 Report Share Posted October 17, 2018 On 10/13/2018 at 2:39 PM, Zebo said: I know this is not the place for this question, but it's about Leveticus's fluff and I don't think it worth to open a new thread only for this. There's any reason Fluff-wise about Leveticus not being Resurrectionist? He more interested in immortality for himself not in army of zombies and he is a scientist who combine flesh and metal for experiments. For protesting limbs for example. Resurrection an abominations is secondary stuff. Immortality is first. And he was not against the guild in the beginning. He was very costly mercenary for hard jobs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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