Math Mathonwy Posted May 24, 2018 Report Share Posted May 24, 2018 Fun stuff! I'll comment. 17 minutes ago, PolishSausage said: Remove Merc from Burt and drop 1 ss. Removing Merc is not a good idea as it invalidates model collections in a harsh way (I mean, Stuffed nerf most certainly invalidated collections but in a soft way (you could take them if you were playing against a toddler or something)) and I think that Burt is good at 8SS anyway. Quote Give Merris attack thats identical to Iggy. Not needed. Merris is fine. Quote Reduce Zoraida swampfiend upgrade to 1ss YES! Quote Merge some of Mah's upgrades together/ or add extra perks to them ( cards are empty) Out For Blood is horrid and should be just added somewhere. Quote Slophaulers need 1 extra wound They are fine. Quote Brin need higher DF He most certainly needs something, agreed. Quote Wraslers need bulletproof 1 or some passive that is usefull Sure. I'm not sure it would make much of a difference, though. Quote Replace crow trigger on bayous to poison 1 A fun idea (Poison, that is) but I think they should retain the chance of backfiring. Still, with the new level of 3SS I agree that they could use something. Quote Remove trixibells hench and drop to 7ss or make her gun upgrade 0ss I don't think that that is needed. Her Lure is super powerful. Quote Remi needs something, at least SH6 for 7ss model (aka Hans) Yeah, he really does need something. Quote Francois needs higher DF since he went to 8ss (5 is ok-I will take) I think that he is fine. Quote Gators need higher wk/chg or a trigger that actually useful (slow would be amazing) I would like their (3)Action to be somehow useful. Quote Criers need to go to 6ss I'm not convinced. Quote Ophelia needs upgrade slot increase aka Jack Daw Agreed. Quote Wong needs longer range on his spell I don't think so. I think that he is fine power-wise, though his blastiness pales in comparison to the other blaster Masters so I wouldn't be opposed to it being tampered with a bit. Quote Zip needs reduced range on DF trigger (4" and only enemies attacks) Yes! Quote Sparks needs nimble/reckless or inbuilt book to his ML Nimble/Reckless might be a bit much but he certainly could use something. I wish Packed with Explosives gave out Poison and Burning. Quote Smugglers need complete rework badly Yes! Quote Iron skeeters need to have restrictions on models they carry around ( Ht1 minions only), No longer CA but flip a card and resolve (so always goes off) This is my favourite of your suggestions, though they could take a small buff as well as that's a giant nerf. Maybe one Wd more? Or even Armor +1 (too much?). All that said, I believe this summer errata will be compact and focus on problematic models as opposed to buffs so I wouldn't be surprised if it didn't even touch Gremlins this time. ...well, other than nerfing, I dunno, Banjonistas mystically, because there's traditions to uphold. (not really) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolishSausage Posted May 24, 2018 Report Share Posted May 24, 2018 24 minutes ago, Flinroz said: Wow, why not just have them release a general upgrade that can be discarded to win the game while we're at it? 😩 I could easily double this list if we go model by model ( only hitting the unused ones, since 90% of our faction falls into "unused") Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeddyBear Posted May 24, 2018 Report Share Posted May 24, 2018 3 hours ago, PolishSausage said: Give Merris attack thats identical to Iggy 3 hours ago, PolishSausage said: Reduce Zoraida swampfiend upgrade to 1ss 3 hours ago, PolishSausage said: Brin need higher DF As 6 months gremlins player i'm agree with these I would like also to see a little bit better dmg output on trixie and especially fingers. i still don't know for Mah. (in week-end i'll try her :P) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daniello_s Posted May 24, 2018 Report Share Posted May 24, 2018 2 hours ago, TeddyBear said: As 6 months gremlins player i'm agree with these I would like also to see a little bit better dmg output on trixie and especially fingers. i still don't know for Mah. (in week-end i'll try her :P) Thing is that neither Trixie nor Fingers were designed as damage dealers andi think they are both fine at the moment. Fingers could do with 1 AP Alcohol poisoning ability which could last till end of the turn to make him a bit more versatile but still i think he is ok. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeddyBear Posted May 24, 2018 Report Share Posted May 24, 2018 1 hour ago, daniello_s said: Thing is that neither Trixie nor Fingers were designed as damage dealers andi think they are both fine at the moment. Fingers could do with 1 AP Alcohol poisoning ability which could last till end of the turn to make him a bit more versatile but still i think he is ok. with Trixie, if you have any way to cheating rams in damage, could be interesting. Fingers can only resist to enemies, for a model of 10 points, is no small thing? (for the rest he does the impossible!) When i play with him (for some schemes and strat in gg2018 but i haven't brewmaster) sometimes it happen that i move him away alone for scores points, if enemies target him i can only healing him back and try to go away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flinroz Posted May 24, 2018 Report Share Posted May 24, 2018 Fingers has scored half my VP in more games than I can count. he is fine. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolishSausage Posted May 24, 2018 Report Share Posted May 24, 2018 I cannot give my experience since I have never used him ( too expensive at 10ss for my taste) But the chatty + healing seems very good. Slap DC and Stilts on him and you opponent will be sweating to get rid of this guy. I just think that First Mate can do similar stuff but is a much more survival beater. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haagrum Posted May 24, 2018 Report Share Posted May 24, 2018 27 minutes ago, Flinroz said: Fingers has scored half my VP in more games than I can count. he is fine. Fingers *exists* to mess with schemes and strategies involving markers and interactions. He's awesome, particularly for Brewmaster crews where he's worth using for every ability and action on his card. 1 hour ago, TeddyBear said: with Trixie, if you have any way to cheating rams in damage, could be interesting. Fingers can only resist to enemies, for a model of 10 points, is no small thing? (for the rest he does the impossible!) When i play with him (for some schemes and strat in gg2018 but i haven't brewmaster) sometimes it happen that i move him away alone for scores points, if enemies target him i can only healing him back and try to go away. Fingers has his place. He is not a fighter, but he wins matches by utterly destroying people's ability to score VPs that aren't about killing models. He's the Ric Flair of Gremlins - a brilliant little coward who knows exactly what to do to get his way and influence people. He's a 'squeel'-ing, healing, Scheme Marker-stealing, whiskey-dealing, match-upsetting, VP-getting, reckless, legless son of a gremlin. 4 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flinroz Posted May 24, 2018 Report Share Posted May 24, 2018 11 minutes ago, PolishSausage said: I cannot give my experience since I have never used him ( too expensive at 10ss for my taste) But the chatty + healing seems very good. Slap DC and Stilts on him and you opponent will be sweating to get rid of this guy. I just think that First Mate can do similar stuff but is a much more survival beater. I've been using stilts and the upgrade that you can discard to re-do a duel (can't remember the name, A Gremlin's Luck?). It's pretty fun. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haagrum Posted May 25, 2018 Report Share Posted May 25, 2018 1 hour ago, Flinroz said: I've been using stilts and the upgrade that you can discard to re-do a duel (can't remember the name, A Gremlin's Luck?). It's pretty fun. I think it's Do Over. And yes, it's brilliant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flinroz Posted May 25, 2018 Report Share Posted May 25, 2018 40 minutes ago, Haagrum said: I think it's Do Over. And yes, it's brilliant. Do over is redo a ranged duel or draw cards. I just checked, I was thinking of On Yer Tip Toes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWHSD Posted May 25, 2018 Report Share Posted May 25, 2018 26 minutes ago, Flinroz said: Do over is redo a ranged duel or draw cards. I just checked, I was thinking of On Yer Tip Toes. That’s the combo of cards on Fingers that we weren’t sure if he ended up at Ht2 or Ht3, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edopersichetti Posted May 25, 2018 Report Share Posted May 25, 2018 3 hours ago, Haagrum said: Fingers *exists* to mess with schemes and strategies involving markers and interactions. He's awesome, particularly for Brewmaster crews where he's worth using for every ability and action on his card. Fingers has his place. He is not a fighter, but he wins matches by utterly destroying people's ability to score VPs that aren't about killing models. He's the Ric Flair of Gremlins - a brilliant little coward who knows exactly what to do to get his way and influence people. He's a 'squeel'-ing, healing, Scheme Marker-stealing, whiskey-dealing, match-upsetting, VP-getting, reckless, legless son of a gremlin. Agreed. Love the guy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeddyBear Posted May 25, 2018 Report Share Posted May 25, 2018 6 hours ago, Flinroz said: I was thinking of On Yer Tip Toes. I never considered this upgrade! seems interesting! (if i understand it well, also my opponents have to reflip for damage?) With Stilist, and Oytt, he is 12 ss, that's a lot, but i'll try him again certainly! thank you! Edit. of course if all models in area 10 count as ht2.. i can't use the iron skeeters taxy ability.. especially in deployment like corner….?(unless i.s. and model with ht1. don't have LoS on fingers…) 8 hours ago, Haagrum said: He's the Ric Flair of Gremlins lol 😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludvig Posted May 25, 2018 Report Share Posted May 25, 2018 9 minutes ago, TeddyBear said: I never considered this upgrade! seems interesting! (if i understand it well, also my opponents have to reflip for damage?) With Stilist, and Oytt, he is 12 ss, that's a lot, but i'll try him again certainly! thank you! lol 😁 You declare the use after the duel to hit but before the damage. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retnab Posted May 28, 2018 Report Share Posted May 28, 2018 Fingers is definitely trash tier, 0/10 model. Wyrd should definitely just remove him from the game, so people stop hiring him when playing against me. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dominion Posted May 29, 2018 Report Share Posted May 29, 2018 well fingers Can dish out some pretty big damage if used in combo with a Performer (up to 15 damage, if all attacks connects + all triggers + all fail the wp duel) and is fairly easy to do that kind of damage with a Brewmaster givin on duels at the right target that's sayin. he do better just scheming and anti-scheming, but is nice to do some big spike of damage when the opponent doesn't expect it (and a Performer is a very good pick in a Brewmaster crew) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wafew Posted June 19, 2018 Report Share Posted June 19, 2018 On 5/24/2018 at 10:06 AM, PolishSausage said: Smugglers need complete rework badly Why the hate on the smugglers? Especially since they haven't been released yet. I plan on using them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolishSausage Posted June 19, 2018 Report Share Posted June 19, 2018 Use them, win some tournaments, prove me wrong. Excited to see your results. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wafew Posted June 19, 2018 Report Share Posted June 19, 2018 20 minutes ago, PolishSausage said: Use them, win some tournaments, prove me wrong. Excited to see your results. I will! ( the using and posting results part ) I'm still curious as to why people think they need a rehaul, as opposed to buffs, like the other models mentioned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Loki- Posted June 20, 2018 Report Share Posted June 20, 2018 I’d be all over Ophelia if she got a Jack Daw style ‘may attach x amount of ‘keyword’ upgrades above her upgrade limit’ like Jack Daw. Though that would require also errataing those upgrades to have the new keyword, like Jacks Curses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daniello_s Posted June 20, 2018 Report Share Posted June 20, 2018 Ophelia would need some love as at the moment she can't compete with Somer, Zipp, Wong or Mah. She is small sad panda now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clement Posted June 20, 2018 Report Share Posted June 20, 2018 Eh, her new upgrades unlocked a lot of interesting tech for her. Not many masters can bring three 2ss models that can lay scheme markers. (Useless Junk is amazing) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daniello_s Posted June 20, 2018 Report Share Posted June 20, 2018 39 minutes ago, Clement said: Eh, her new upgrades unlocked a lot of interesting tech for her. Not many masters can bring three 2ss models that can lay scheme markers. (Useless Junk is amazing) If only scheme markers were that importnat in GG18.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolishSausage Posted June 20, 2018 Report Share Posted June 20, 2018 well.. about Ophelia tactics. She can be swined 8" up, also banjo can re-position another 2", OO a girl pere to here and flip him 8" from her , assume 1" base and than trash marker him 6" You can activate Pere T1 25" from deployment line on standard. That does not require any card flips what so ever and WILL HAPPEN always. Is she that bad? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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