Ravenphoenixxx Posted April 13, 2018 Report Share Posted April 13, 2018 Hello. New Kirai player here. I've been reading various guides on how to use Kirai. Several of them recommend summoning off of night terrors, the idea being you summon one spirit and bring the night terror down to one health due to Hard To Kill, and then finish off the poor thing by summoning something else off of it's last point. However, when I read Blood and Wind on Kirai's info in the app (I just realize I haven't confirmed this on the card itself), it specifically says "this damage cannot be reduced and ignores Hard To Kill". So are all these guides that I've been reading wrong, or is there a FAQ I missed somewhere along the line (or am I just plain crazy)? As always, thanks for your input. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adran Posted April 13, 2018 Report Share Posted April 13, 2018 When I've sen it done, they summon a 5-6 wound spirit off the Night terror first (Drowned is a good one) and then when its down to 1 wound they can summon what ever they like. Very few spirits would kill the Night terror on 1 summon, so you should plan your summoning to not do one of those big summons of an uninjured night terror. Not having read the guides I can't say they if they are right or wrong, but the idea is to summon off the night terror and leave it on 1 wound, then summon again. You are right that Hard to kill doesn't make any difference here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWHSD Posted April 13, 2018 Report Share Posted April 13, 2018 Gaki, Onyro, and The Drowned all knock a Night Terror down to 1 Wd. One of these is the first thing Kirai would summon. Shikome, Goryo, and The Hanged all deal 4 damage to summon in so they would be the second model that gets summoned off the Night Terror. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWHSD Posted April 13, 2018 Report Share Posted April 13, 2018 For 6 soul stones worth of Night Terrors you are able to summon in 14 Wds worth of of models. Also at 6 stones, a Flesh Construct can be a little more efficient but doesn’t help your activation control as much. If the Flesh construct activates after Kirai in turn 1 and before Kirai in turn 2 then Kirai could summon 18 Wds worth of models off of it. If additional healing is done to the Flesh Construct, it can do more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sagrit Posted April 13, 2018 Report Share Posted April 13, 2018 Hmm... could someone please clarify me the point of using 2 Night Terrors instead of 1 Flesh Construct? Is it only about amount of activations for turn one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerSkalde Posted April 13, 2018 Report Share Posted April 13, 2018 If you kill the night terrors with your summoning in the Aura of Datsue Ba (she has to activate it before) they drop Scheme markers. And these might come in handy for Phillip Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sagrit Posted April 13, 2018 Report Share Posted April 13, 2018 OK, sounds good. So it's : 2 Activations VS 1 Scheme marker after death Any other reasons? What useful things may Night Terrors do before they die? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clement Posted April 13, 2018 Report Share Posted April 13, 2018 They also can make 2 Seishin as they die, who can serve as further summoning anchors. Further, as spirits the Night Terrors play well with Kirai and her swirling gimmicks. The Night Terrors are also much more mobile then the Flesh Construct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sagrit Posted April 13, 2018 Report Share Posted April 13, 2018 Ah, the Spirit Beacon Upgrade. It will cost 2 cards to make 2 Seishins, but OK, sometimes it's useful. Swirling Spirits also looks nice with Terrors. So it's a way to place Izamu 12" from Kirai, get Terror near Master and kill it with double Blood and Wind. Yes, it looks interesting! Thank's everyone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWHSD Posted April 13, 2018 Report Share Posted April 13, 2018 38 minutes ago, Clement said: They also can make 2 Seishin as they die, who can serve as further summoning anchors. Further, as spirits the Night Terrors play well with Kirai and her swirling gimmicks. The Night Terrors are also much more mobile then the Flesh Construct. I forgot about the Seishin. That bumps it up to 22 Wds worth of models summoned off of what started out as 6 stones worth of Night Terrors (A 3 Wd and 4 Wd summon off of each Night Terror and two 4 Wd summons from each of the Seishin). It seems like Night Terrors would also be nice to have close to Kirai for her Df/Wp trigger. They can suffer the effects of at least two attacks for her if she can meet the suit for the trigger. It seems like the other advantage that the Flesh Construct would have is that attacking it triggers Ikiryo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clement Posted April 13, 2018 Report Share Posted April 13, 2018 43 minutes ago, WWHSD said: It seems like the other advantage that the Flesh Construct would have is that attacking it triggers Ikiryo. I think every time I've heard of the Flesh Construct in this list, it often brings a nurse along. The nurse also triggers Ikiryo and can patch up the flesh construct if it needs to and generally make a nuisance of itself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWHSD Posted April 13, 2018 Report Share Posted April 13, 2018 3 minutes ago, Clement said: I think every time I've heard of the Flesh Construct in this list, it often brings a nurse along. The nurse also triggers Ikiryo and can patch up the flesh construct if it needs to and generally make a nuisance of itself. Now were are comparing 12 stones worth of models to 6 stones though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clement Posted April 13, 2018 Report Share Posted April 13, 2018 Just now, WWHSD said: Now were are comparing 12 stones worth of models to 6 stones. not saying "Nurse + Flesh Construct" is equivalent to 2 Night Terrors, just that if the Flesh Construct Route is being taken, take a look at a nurse as a support piece elsewhere in the crew. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWHSD Posted April 13, 2018 Report Share Posted April 13, 2018 2 minutes ago, Clement said: not saying "Nurse + Flesh Construct" is equivalent to 2 Night Terrors, just that if the Flesh Construct Route is being taken, take a look at a nurse as a support piece elsewhere in the crew. That makes sense. Not being a Kirai player I wonder how much she typically uses hired Wds to fuel her summons after the first couple of turns or if Seishin, Ikiryo, and almost dead models that have already activated and are on their last Wds make up the bulk of what she summons from. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravenphoenixxx Posted April 14, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 14, 2018 Wow. That answers my question and gives me some awesome ideas to use in the future. Thanks, gang. Feel free to keep the ideas flowing.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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