Jesy Blue Posted January 19, 2018 Report Share Posted January 19, 2018 I like the reasons as to why some masters are dual factions, whether the manipulation of the Ten Thunders or the one that just doesn't fit wholly into one faction, I'm wondering on the concepts between the combinations we don't have currently. What kind of Master would you create to fill the role? Arcanist/Resurrectionist Arcanist/Outcast Arcanist/Neverborn Arcanist/Gremlin Arcanist/Guild (you can just say Hoffman if you want) Guild/Outcast Guild/Gremlin Gremlin/Ressurectionist Gremlin/Outcast Neverborn/Ressurectionist Neverborn/Outcast BONUS <STORY SPOILERS!!!>- Guild/Ressurectionsist - As the good doctor is no longer with the guild, could you find a good replacement? Outcast/Ten Thunders - I've never understood Misaki as an Outcast, even less so with the fluff of Wave 5, so who could you create as a replacement? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haagrum Posted January 19, 2018 Report Share Posted January 19, 2018 With the fluff behind the Gautreaux Bokor, I can see a Gremlin shaman becoming a vessel for part of the Grave Spirit's essence as a dual-faction model. With Gremlins apparently being vital to Malifaux's future, and less entwined in the Tyrants' manipulations, it might want a less conspicuous and more malleable pawn than Seamus or Titania. An Arcanist/Neverborn master would probably fit the concept of the leader of the Court of Two - a Neverborn seeking to understand and influence how humans draw upon the aether (as distinct from the more primordial magics of the Neverborn). Alternately, they could be using the primordialist methods to create a sub-faction within the Arcanists, and possibly to split some away as Neverborn allies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santaclaws01 Posted January 19, 2018 Report Share Posted January 19, 2018 Arcanist/Neverborn could also be filled with a human that has learned magic from a black blood shaman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWHSD Posted January 19, 2018 Report Share Posted January 19, 2018 Other than him being dead, I could see Raethford from one of the scenarios in Crossroads maybe being made into a a dual faction Arcanist/Outcast master. I’m not sure why Sandeep would keep Von Shtook from being released as an Arcanist/Resser master. Adding more dual faction masters seems to be going the opposite direction of what is happening in the fluff. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franchute Posted January 22, 2018 Report Share Posted January 22, 2018 On 19/1/2018 at 1:43 PM, Jesy Blue said: Arcanist/Outcast The smugglers. They steal machinery from the mines and sell it to the underground economy. They could work wirth the gremlins too. On 19/1/2018 at 1:43 PM, Jesy Blue said: Arcanist/Resurrectionist Arcanist/Guild (you can just say Hoffman if you want) McMourning and Hoffman XD Or maybe Ironsides 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cedar Posted January 23, 2018 Report Share Posted January 23, 2018 For Guild/Outcasts i think about some sort of Black Ops specialist - Guild assasin who hires low-life thugs to help him do the job. For Gremlins/Ressers some sort of either taxidermist or Voodoo witch. First one would be McMourning parody qnd second could be Nicodem wannabe. I'm not sure about Outcasts/Neverborn (Nekima?) and Outcasts/Arcanists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nukemouse Posted January 23, 2018 Report Share Posted January 23, 2018 I was surprised Hayreddin was only an enforcer, not a henchman or even a master. He would have made a neat neverborn/ressur. Judging by Titania's emergence from the pit as undead Lillith could be heading down that road too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAYNE Posted January 28, 2018 Report Share Posted January 28, 2018 I think partially the reason Arcanists/Outcast isn't a thing yet, is because Arcanists ARE outcasts with a banner. Very hard to fit Outcast Masters with other factions thematically. I mean, Misaki doesn't make any sense, and Tara is only a resser cuz of Karina, she cares not for their banner at all. Which is kind of the point of outcasts. No allegiance. Or allegiance to something bigger in the case of Hamelins (to Plague) and Tara (to Obliteration). If I had to make one, I'd say maybe Myranda could go Outcast and move up to master, after being snubbed my Marcus or something. Beast master in outcast would be fun, especially if the theme is more shapechanger-y rather than just lots of big beasts. I think most of you hit the gremlin ones on the head with Master Taxidermist for ressers. Sparks is practically Arcanists as is, and I doubt Guild would ever happen, unless they got unbelievably desperate. Ophelia and Somer USED to be Outcast, so they could probably just tack it back on one of them. Everyone says Hayreddin, which could make sense if Titania we're to possibly bring him back into the Neverborn fold. Lilith personally exiled him so I doubt she'd be the one to reverse the decision. The only issue I'd see is overlap with Titania at that point, who already has the undead schtick. His Vitality Mechanic could be played up though, somewhat like Yan Lo's Chi. So rather than actually summoning, corpses sustain and empower him directly. Could be fun to have a big strong Nephilim in Ressers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adran Posted January 30, 2018 Report Share Posted January 30, 2018 On 19/01/2018 at 4:43 PM, Jesy Blue said: BONUS <STORY SPOILERS!!!>- Guild/Ressurectionsist - As the good doctor is no longer with the guild, could you find a good replacement? Outcast/Ten Thunders - I've never understood Misaki as an Outcast, even less so with the fluff of Wave 5, so who could you create as a replacement? Misaki is related to the outcasts because she first came over to Malifaux as an individual. Her Minion model in 1st edition was an outcast Merc. Plus she seems to do a fair amount of rebelling against her father. I Imagine she hangs out with her friends, the Viks, over tea talking what she would do if it wasn't for her father. And yes I have read broken promises... 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWHSD Posted March 26, 2018 Report Share Posted March 26, 2018 On 1/28/2018 at 10:17 AM, SAYNE said: If I had to make one, I'd say maybe Myranda could go Outcast and move up to master, after being snubbed my Marcus or something. Beast master in outcast would be fun, especially if the theme is more shapechanger-y rather than just lots of big beasts. Myranda going to Outcasts would be odd since they are the only faction to currently have no models with the Beast characteristic. Every Beast she hired would need to be infiltrated or a merc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAYNE Posted March 26, 2018 Report Share Posted March 26, 2018 I think the new Crockett guy in Arcanists has the ability to give models the beast characteristic, perhaps it could be used similarly? Or perhaps we're sticking too much to a characteristic theme, there may be enough to even make a full summoner off of it, looking at most beast SS cost. Idk, fluff wise I could see it but you're right that gameplay it doesn't hold a lot of water. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da Git Posted April 6, 2018 Report Share Posted April 6, 2018 I'd love to see Heyridden become a Ressers-Neverborn master. That guy just has so much potential for awesomeness! And yeah, linking him up with Titania would totally float my boat! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retnab Posted April 8, 2018 Report Share Posted April 8, 2018 Arcanist/Resurrectionist: Prof. Albus Von Schtook, easy. Sandeep's intro story showed that he and 'Deep are happy-ish to work together, or are at least on chatting terms. Arcanist/Outcast: I kind of see this as someone who, like Johan, has connections to the M&SU (or something) but doesn't really belong there anymore. Or someone who's like "hey, with Titania coming I think I'm going to side with the multiple Tyrants who are kind-of-sort-of buddying up over here." Arcanist/Neverborn: Honestly, make Marcus dual-faction NVB. He already has a relationship with some of their models, and he's clearly interested in Titania's weird forest in the fluff. Arcanist/Gremlin: *Shrug*? Arcanist/Guild: I'd say Hoff but he's still a bit too "good" to join in I think. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raderk Posted April 8, 2018 Report Share Posted April 8, 2018 Ar Oc - Raspa fits i guess 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWHSD Posted April 8, 2018 Report Share Posted April 8, 2018 3 hours ago, retnab said: Arcanist/Resurrectionist: Prof. Albus Von Schtook, easy. Sandeep's intro story showed that he and 'Deep are happy-ish to work together, or are at least on chatting terms. Arcanist/Outcast: I kind of see this as someone who, like Johan, has connections to the M&SU (or something) but doesn't really belong there anymore. Or someone who's like "hey, with Titania coming I think I'm going to side with the multiple Tyrants who are kind-of-sort-of buddying up over here." Arcanist/Neverborn: Honestly, make Marcus dual-faction NVB. He already has a relationship with some of their models, and he's clearly interested in Titania's weird forest in the fluff. Arcanist/Gremlin: *Shrug*? Arcanist/Guild: I'd say Hoff but he's still a bit too "good" to join in I think. That list looks solid. Arcanist/Outcast: In about half the fluff stories about Rasputina it seems like she’s fighting Ramos. She’s always off doing her own thing instead of directly supporting either the Union or the brave Arcanist freedom fighters. Arcanist/Gremlins: My vote here would be Zipp since his crew box is really construct heavy and he and The Captain could bond over airships. Mostly it’s because I want an excuse to buy and paint Zipp’s crew and I don’t want to start collecting Gremlins. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazlord_Prime Posted May 14, 2018 Report Share Posted May 14, 2018 Arcanist/Gremlin: we Greens have been getting a few suspiciously Arcanist-y models lately (Sparks & Mechanized Porkchop being "Foundry", and others that use Burning when there's no in-faction synergy with Burning), so I suspect this may be in the works already. Also, this combo is the only one glaringly missing (every other non-10T faction already has 3 dual Masters). But a Rezzer/Gremlin voodoo dude would be sweet. There seems to be a LOT of support for this one. I don't necessarily think the game *needs* more Masters... But it does need this 😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWHSD Posted May 14, 2018 Report Share Posted May 14, 2018 2 hours ago, Bazlord_Prime said: ... every other non-10T faction already has 3 dual Masters ... Am I missing something? 3 dual faction masters: Guild: Lucius, McCabe, McMourningNeverborn: Lynch, Lucius, ZoairaRessers: McMourning, Yan Lo, Tara 2 dual faction masters: Gremlins: Brewmaster, ZoraidaOutcasts: Misaki, Tara 1 dual faction masters: Arcanists: Mei Feng 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flinroz Posted May 14, 2018 Report Share Posted May 14, 2018 38 minutes ago, WWHSD said: Am I missing something? 3 dual faction masters: Guild: Lucius, McCabe, McMourningNeverborn: Lynch, Lucius, Zoaira 2 dual faction masters: Ressers: McMourning, Yan LoGremlins: Brewmaster, Zoraida 1 dual faction masters: Arcanists: Mei FengOutcasts: Misaki Outcasts / Rezzer - Tara 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWHSD Posted May 14, 2018 Report Share Posted May 14, 2018 15 minutes ago, Flinroz said: Outcasts / Rezzer - Tara So, if there was an Arcanist/Outcast and an Arcanist/Gremlin master then every non-Ten Thunders faction would have 3 dual faction maters. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazlord_Prime Posted May 15, 2018 Report Share Posted May 15, 2018 6 hours ago, WWHSD said: So, if there was an Arcanist/Outcast and an Arcanist/Gremlin master then every non-Ten Thunders faction would have 3 dual faction maters. Oh wow! I completely missed that Arcanists only have the one infiltrator. Well now - there's where to focus attentions. I reckon Kaeris might go a little renegade in order to "spread her wings" a little, chafing under the leadership of Ironside... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWHSD Posted May 15, 2018 Report Share Posted May 15, 2018 3 minutes ago, Bazlord_Prime said: Oh wow! I completely missed that Arcanists only have the one infiltrator. Well now - there's where to focus attentions. I reckon Kaeris might go a little renegade in order to "spread her wings" a little, chafing under the leadership of Ironside... I think if any current Arcanist master was going to become dual faction with Outcasts I think it would be Rasputina. It seems like every other story she shows up in the fluff she’s a thorn in Ramos’s side. She hangs out with a cult of cannibals that live outside of society. She kind of has Outcast written all over her. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazlord_Prime Posted May 15, 2018 Report Share Posted May 15, 2018 1 hour ago, WWHSD said: I think if any current Arcanist master was going to become dual faction with Outcasts I think it would be Rasputina. It seems like every other story she shows up in the fluff she’s a thorn in Ramos’s side. She hangs out with a cult of cannibals that live outside of society. She kind of has Outcast written all over her. It's true, she's not exactly "one of the lads". Neither's Marcus much, tho. Last I read about him, he was stealing a Rogue Necromancy away from McMourning? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adran Posted May 15, 2018 Report Share Posted May 15, 2018 Arcanists are historically a funny thing. The original 3 masters were Rasputina, Ramos and Marcus, but the next 4 masters they gained all were directly connected to Ramos and his Miners and Steamfitters (Colette smuggles them out for him, Kaeris and Ironsides were both his enforcers to the union, and Mei worked for him on the rail roads) . This has lead to a faction where 2 of its original members look like they don't fit. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludvig Posted May 15, 2018 Report Share Posted May 15, 2018 The more pure mages could maybe do their own thing and m&su could stay under the arcaniat name. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wafew Posted June 8, 2018 Report Share Posted June 8, 2018 Arcanist/Resurrectionist - Von shtook! Arcanist/Neverborn - Neverborn have a lot of beasts/swampfiends, that I could see marcus, or another beast master fit this. Arcanist/Gremlin - Wong? Sparks? Maybe even McTavish, master of critters, might want some arcanist critters too? Guild/Gremlin - 2 gremlins in a trenchcoat, possibly trying to impersonate the judge. Gremlin/Ressurectionist - taxidermists are the closest thing to this. Gremlin/Outcast - I could either see Mctavish, or Zipp, McTavish used to be outcast, and he is human, so is an outcast of sorts. And i don't know his fluff, but zipp seems like he may be on his own, with becoming a pirate, that he'd fit with the outcasts. Neverborn/Ressurectionist - hayreiden could fit, he doesn't need to be accepted by Lilith, not all neverborn are under liliths command, and any nephilim could decide they want to follow him Neverborn/Outcast - I'd love to see a bloodwretch master, since neverborn already have 4 models, and fluff wise, nephilim look down on bloodwretch, so they're already outcasted 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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