Zoraida Obey & Brutal Emm Back in the Box

[Frugalbar]

So whenever I play up against Guild, I am always staring down the Brutal Emissary.  Last game, I decided to have Zoraida Obey the BE to cast Back in the Box on himself.  I argued this effectively put him out of the game... but I need a check on this.

This was my argument - going thru the ability description after I won the Obey and the Cast flips:

- "Target non-Leader model is buried..."  (BE is buried and leaves play).

 - "...Unbury the target model in Base contact with this model..." (model is currently buried - so model isn't in play)

- "...or any scheme marker in LOS ..." (while buried he doesn't have LOS to anything)

- "...when this model leaves play." (again model is currently buried - so model isn't in play)

 

The BE's Back inn the Box ability is different than the Death Marshall's Pine Box - because Pine Box has specific timing rules about unburying.  Specifically  it says "target model is unburied with this model before this model is removed from play."  The BE does't have that clause on the end.

So that effectively take thes BE out for the game.  It's not easy - you need two flips to pull it off.

So two questions:

1) am I missing something or mis-interpreting something?

2) what would happen if someone was already in the  box when the BE was Obeyed to use it on itself?

 

Frugalbar

[Chris Rivers]

I don't believe you can Obey the Emissary to target itself.

[Le gob]

Back in the box is an attack, you can't target yourself with an attack.

[Phinn]

Attack Actions (Malifaux 2E- Rules Manual, pg. 38)
"Attack Actions require a target and LoS (see pg. 40). In addition, a model may never target itself with an Attack Action, unless specifically allowed by another rule."

[Frugalbar]

Got it.  Thanks guys.  Was looking in all the wrong places...