Welcome to The Other Side!

[horvagab]

Just curious, but will the core rulebook have the unit cards available similarly to Malifaux? I assume the free online rules are a stripped down versions, but as someone who's interested in the PDF and Vassal play, I'm curious if I can just get by with the corebook that way.

[supaplex]

Will copypaste question from kickstarter comments:

I have noticed, that on the Battle of London art (first srceen of intor vidio and cover art of rulebook) Giberling Hord are leaded by the Adeodatos (leader of the Cult). 
Is it some kind of mistake of painter or it is possible to mix factions (the Cult and Hords are stated as Malifaux Allegiance on the cards and Empire and Abbysina is Earth Allegiance)?

[Cinnamon Bear]

In another thread they just stated Adeodatos was in London at the same time so it makes sense that he's there. I sort of figure they were just making a promotional image and threw in some cool stuff. So far it doesn't look like allegiances can mix, but its not confirmed yet.

Also the comments section on the kickstarter is making my head hurt. Good luck handling that mess, Wyrd.

[Cinnamon Bear]

Actually to correct myself it looks like in one of the images in the video a commander card does have both the Abyssinia and King's Empire allegiances. Adeodatos only seems to have the Burning Man allegiance, so its possible something may have changed over the past year? So allegiances can maybe mix, or at least there may be units that could be in both, I guess. 

[SoylentRobot]

the thing with Adeopdatoatosasdlos is that his model has a face but the art just has this one glowing hole, whats up with that?

[JDAntoine]

34 minutes ago, Cinnamon Bear said:

Also the comments section on the kickstarter is making my head hurt. Good luck handling that mess, Wyrd.

Not everybody will like it, which is fine aswell. I think the only frame of reference many have is either GW or PP army builds. I feel that GW comes with amazing minis but lackluster rules, I also feel that PP comes with amazing rules but lackluster (quality) minis. 

If the Other Side will be what I hope it to be we'll have the first army game with amazing minis and amazing rules. What some seem to forget is that pre-assembly by itself is allready a time and money cutter that not all seem to like and factor in in terms of costs. 

For me the Other Side offers one thing no army miniature wargame offers, which is having both amazing minis and amazing rules and cut you the time to assemble those minis. As a hobbyist I will cut the models from the bases for basing purposes but for all the game can be played directly out of the box and this by itself allows you to pick up this game fast, learn it fast and thus become ideal to support in your local game specialist store.

[RedHood]

If you look at the video of the Stormsiren on the Kickstarter page the detail looks quite shallow. It's exactly what you would expect from PVC which is fine if you charge a price reflective of the lower quality miniatures. Another thing when did tabletop gamers in the main stop enjoying putting miniatures together? Sure putting a huge amount of miniatures together i.e 100+ might be daunting but the fact these are pre-assembled isn't really a major plus point for me. I'd rather have a miniature with greater detail than requires building personally.

[Saduhem]

7 minutes ago, RedHood said:

If you look at the video of the Stormsiren on the Kickstarter page the detail looks quite shallow. It's exactly what you would expect from PVC which is fine if you charge a price reflective of the lower quality miniatures. Another thing when did tabletop gamers in the main stop enjoying putting miniatures together? Sure putting a huge amount of miniatures together i.e 100+ might be daunting but the fact these are pre-assembled isn't really a major plus point for me. I'd rather have a miniature with greater detail than requires building personally.

I don't post much on this forum, but I think that the video demonstration of the quality of the plastic exceeded all my expectations. I was ready to compromise quality for quantity but it turns out i didn't have to. Wyrd has set the standard so high in quality of both their production and gameplay that I am, at this moment, writing down inventory for all the models I own from a different company. One that involves engines of war and beasts. They're all about to hit e-bay.

I cannot see your point, especially when i am holding in my hand, right now, a much inferior product than what Wyrd has set out to produce. And it's also priced higher.

If you couple that with the fact that every interaction I had with customer support was like talking to an old friend... but that's beyond the point.

[Cinnamon Bear]

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The minis seen above were early test runs, and our final production miniatures are of even higher quality. We have a video of these unpainted figures below, giving you a sense of the quality of the miniatures for this game.

Also the models in the video were test run models, which was mentioned at the very beginning of the video. They've also mentioned that they've since improved on the sculpt and details.

[RedHood]

38 minutes ago, Cinnamon Bear said:

Also the models in the video were test run models, which was mentioned at the very beginning of the video. They've also mentioned that they've since improved on the sculpt and details.

Well we'll see I do hope that is the case.

[Cinnamon Bear]

I can understand being suspicious. I'm willing to cut Wyrd a lot of slack due to the quality they've shown thus far. Good quality models with that material have been produced (or at least I was happy enough with Aionus), although I know its not unanimous. They've also got a great track record with customer service, and recently resolved an issue with prereleased Mounted Guards by pulling them from release to be fixed and promising free replacements. 

Personally I enjoy assembling models, and it might be my favorite part of the process even more than painting. But if the quality is there I won't mind not doing it--presumably I'll still have Malifaux models to work on as well.

[RedHood]

I love assembling models and like yourself it's probably my favourite part of the whole process. I think it gives you a connection to the model it's more personal than pulling something out of box that is ready to go if I want that (which sometimes I do) I'd buy a board game not a table top game. 

I just think if it was me running this project I'd be scrapping the overly expensive rulebook I'd have a small softcover rulebook which contains nothing but the rules. I'd have a price point of $120 for an Allegiance box, Titan and a copy of the rules. 

I do think rulebooks with fluff in are great but initially for a game just coming to market I would want to make the introduction into the game as easy as possible. 

Also $90 MSRP for a Titan? Nope. 

[Cinnamon Bear]

I wish there was an easier buy-in for someone like me who is usually the early-adopter, aka one person who needs two sets to demo but doesn't have a retailer anywhere nearby. Dual Commander is really attractive, but comes with two hardcover rulebooks. I'm happy to have one, but a second one wouldn't get any use, and would probably add quite a bit of weight to the already dreadful shipping costs to Asia. 

I'm personally still waiting before jumping in because of this. I want to see how the pledges/stretch goals develop before I decide to go for Commander or Dual Commander. I'd also like to see what gets unlocked for the Cult. My goal is basically to focus on the cult but still have a small force of King's Empire to be able to demo with. Just like how in Malifaux I concentrate on Guild but keep Rasputina around to have a small different faction/playstyle to showcase.

[mythicFOX]

We'd all prefer something different to some degree.  This reminds me a lot of the arguments about how to do stat cards for M2e, everyone want the configuration to be the one they'd personally prefer, even through that's different for most people.

If the rule book provided was 'rules only' I expect I'd be sat here reading how it was ridiculous to launch a new game without source materiel.  If that source material were available separately someone would be outraged that the source material was separate and that it should clearly come with the game.

I expect there's no way for Wyrd to make everyone happy on this one.

[retnab]

I just had a fun thought that hopefully one of the Wyrd folks can answer here - considering a Stalking Portal counts as a Portal Marker, does it count as being in base contact with itself?  Specifically, can it take its movement through itself (as a Portal) and into base contact with any other Portal Marker?  It probably doesn't have a ton of relevance in game, but it could be a fun little interaction!

[solkan]

33 minutes ago, retnab said:

I just had a fun thought that hopefully one of the Wyrd folks can answer here - considering a Stalking Portal counts as a Portal Marker, does it count as being in base contact with itself?  Specifically, can it take its movement through itself (as a Portal) and into base contact with any other Portal Marker?  It probably doesn't have a ton of relevance in game, but it could be a fun little interaction!

Please show me any game where an object with a base is considered to be in base contact with itself.  

 

[HydroMog]

wizkids mage knight 1.0 you were considered to be in base contact with yourself for the purpose of some abilities. not to mention the pics for fireteams show a model on a base on a base despite anything saying it has an effect in game.

[Parker Barrows]

1 hour ago, solkan said:

Please show me any game where an object with a base is considered to be in base contact with itself.  

 

Maybe not itself would work, but what about the other fireteams in their squad?

Now, I'm curious about this.....

[-Loki-]

45 minutes ago, HydroMog said:

wizkids mage knight 1.0 you were considered to be in base contact with yourself for the purpose of some abilities. not to mention the pics for fireteams show a model on a base on a base despite anything saying it has an effect in game.

Individual models on a fire team base are essentially wounds for the fire team. The models don't count as base to base contact because the larger base is what counts.

[Ookami_Tez]

I don't know if someone brought this up yet, but didn't feel like reading 8 pages just to check. But why was the Prince Unathi's attack changed from mustard gas to just poison? I think that little wording brought the timeline really well in to the game. Just with that one word. Poison sounds too much like a videogame lingo for we didn't bother to look up any suitable poison so it is just poison.

Just thought mustard gas sounded like a bad ass thing to be there. Really bring the horror from WW 1 to the timeline.

[Pyrflamme]

A cursory check of the Wikipedia article suggests that mustard gas as we know it, while successfully synthesized to a certain degree during the time period in our universe prior to the current date in the Malifaux/TOS timeline, did not see the the various discoveries that led to large-scale production as seen in our WW1. Wikipedia says that the reaction for WW1-era mustard gas production wasn't discovered until 1913, and large scale production until 1916.

Given that, and the fact that history was already deviating before the time period of Malifaux/TOS (maybe pertinent people responsible for advances during the 19th century got plugged during various conflicts, maybe the upheavals meant their parents never met in the first place, maybe they gave up on science when they saw people throwing literal magic spells around), it could be that whoever at Wyrd changed it, thought that while mustard gas would be appropriate for WWI-era stuff, less so for Malifaux/TOS.

There might also be some sensitivity to its usage in general as well. It's alleged to have been used during the current Syrian civil war. Even though poison gas *is* chemical warfare as well, even if you don't name a particular poison, less of a chance it leads to blowback. At least WWI historicals can put up the defense that it's an accurate reflection of the time period.

[Da Git]

@Aaron The King's Empire and Cult of the Burning Man Wallpapers won't open in full size like all the others are.  I find this really sad!  I'd love for the Cult one to be a screensaver!

[Lucidicide]

Yeah, I apparently don't understand how graphics work. I just need to update the uploads.

[Lucidicide]

Try now!

[retnab]

This is awesome, the pledge total's really jumping up post-update.  We're less than $3k from the next goal!  If this keeps up we should hit it tomorrow