Kirai vs raspy... Deflects and blasts

[nccomicschris]

If you target kirai with an attack and she Deflects it to a nearby spirit and it blasts large enough to hit kirai does she take blast dmg or does it cycle back to the new target?

[Adran]

She will take the blast damage. 

She has shifted the target of the attack to another model. The attack resolves with that as the target, but its like the new target was the original target in the first place.

 

[solkan]

The trigger says:

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After an Attack Action succeeds against this model, target friendly Spirit within 2" and LoS suffers the effects of the Action as if it had been the target instead of this model, including any Triggers.

Since it specifies "as if it had been the target instead of this model", that pretty much means that you act like the other model had been the target, it doesn't prevent any side effects or second effects of the attack getting applied to Kirai.

Consider something like Wong's Lightning Jump:

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Target suffers 2/3/5 damage. This model flips a card which may not be cheated for every model within 3 of the target. All models which receive a suffer 2 damage.

If Kirai gets attacked by Lightning Jump and chooses a spirit 2" away from her (so that Kira is in 3), then Wong's going to flip a card against Kirai for the chance to cause her 2 damage.  Because that's what would have happened if the spirit had been the target.  Same thing for if the blasts from the damage track can be placed to cover Kirai.

 

 

[nccomicschris]

 

10 minutes ago, solkan said:

The trigger says:

Since it specifies "as if it had been the target instead of this model", that pretty much means that you act like the other model had been the target, it doesn't prevent any side effects or second effects of the attack getting applied to Kirai.

Consider something like Wong's Lightning Jump:

If Kirai gets attacked by Lightning Jump and chooses a spirit 2" away from her (so that Kira is in 3), then Wong's going to flip a card against Kirai for the chance to cause her 2 damage.  Because that's what would have happened if the spirit had been the target.  Same thing for if the blasts from the damage track can be placed to cover Kirai.

 

 

I thought so too but had a game on vassal a while ago against another Henchman who thought it applied to the new target.

[Four_N_Six]

The problem is that blasts aren't assigned to targets anyways, they effect an area and hits models that happen to be in the area.  So it just originates from the target of the attack, which is the spirit.