qoob Posted January 29, 2016 Report Share Posted January 29, 2016 Hello everyone! I was listening to the schemes and stones podcast regarding Sonnia. I have to say I love the idea of playing her mainly without burning, don't get me wrong... but my honest question is, isn't she predestined to be played in a burning list? I mean that's her trade mark, right? Without the burning condition, she is a weaker Perdita in my eyes. What do you guys mean and prefer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myyrä Posted January 29, 2016 Report Share Posted January 29, 2016 All other Guild models are so terrible at giving out Burning wherever needed, I usually don't bring anything to help Sonnia get Burning on the models. She can do it herself just fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirial Posted January 29, 2016 Report Share Posted January 29, 2016 31 minutes ago, qoob said: Without the burning condition, she is a weaker Perdita in my eyes. If that's how you use her, it's all you will get. Their roles on the field are pretty different, especially their target selection. I personally take Burning whenever I can get it, but I don't go out of my way to get it going. It's a bonus, not a necessity. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MR TORGUE Posted January 29, 2016 Report Share Posted January 29, 2016 17 minutes ago, Myyrä said: All other Guild models are so terrible at giving out Burning wherever needed, I usually don't bring anything to help Sonnia get Burning on the models. She can do it herself just fine. I agree totally. Sonnia is great in herself and rarely needs support from other models and the fact she can apply burning herself is a bonus. Theres nothing wrong with the mega burning lists though, its a nice theme in itself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapnBloodbeard Posted January 29, 2016 Report Share Posted January 29, 2016 So how else do you run her if not burning? I thought a big thing from here was the ease of which she can hit targets with burning... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adran Posted January 29, 2016 Report Share Posted January 29, 2016 Playing her without Burning basically means you aren't building your crew to give out lots of burning. The Burning gives her the ability to ignore LOS and Cover, and with an upgrade the ability to Summon from Death. And something had to see the target to set it on fire in the first place (or you have the Emmisary), so it doesn't always help. So she can play an area blasting master without worrying about burning just as well in about 90% of the situations. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MR TORGUE Posted January 29, 2016 Report Share Posted January 29, 2016 1 minute ago, CapnBloodbeard said: So how else do you run her if not burning? I thought a big thing from here was the ease of which she can hit targets with burning... Burning helps certainly, but its not the be-all and end-all of crew construction i think people are trying to say. Sonnia is flexible in her performance and doesn't need burning support to achieve on the board. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wizuriel Posted January 29, 2016 Report Share Posted January 29, 2016 2 hours ago, Myyrä said: All other Guild models are so terrible at giving out Burning wherever needed, I usually don't bring anything to help Sonnia get Burning on the models. She can do it herself just fine. While it is expensive Ryle + Witchling Hander can hand out a lot of burning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clockpunk Fox Posted January 29, 2016 Report Share Posted January 29, 2016 I find burning is a great thing if it happens, but not to entirely plan your crew around it. One of my favorite things to do is hit one of my friendly, fast and melee models with a witchling stalker's attack, doing a min damage and setting them on fire. The melee model then runs into combat before Sonnia activates, and she can bounce blasts off of the burning friendly, regardless of los, especially with her pyrokinesis. Ya your melee guy will probably die from the retaliation, but the damage Sonnia can do is well worth it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HowNot2Wargame Posted January 29, 2016 Report Share Posted January 29, 2016 Personally her denial aspects are what I love. Walls, disrupting magic and then badge of office can really help her defensibe game. Never really explored counter spell, mainly as I would need another model which can take so e damage to hold disrupt magic. One of the main things I want to do this year is play her in the hunter theme to really help get my head around denying vps whilst still scoring more than them, mainly due to ahunch that orderly's unlock quite a bit of scheming for her Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
admiralvorkraft Posted January 29, 2016 Report Share Posted January 29, 2016 8 hours ago, CapnBloodbeard said: So how else do you run her if not burning? I thought a big thing from here was the ease of which she can hit targets with burning... I've been really enjoying running her with Grimwell, Heartsbane, and the Brutal Effigy. The starter set Witch Hunters want to be in close anyway, so Disrupt Magic is suddenly much more viable, and with a crow Heartsbane can position her 6" away with a good angle to start blasting. A Witchling Stalker is always useful, and a Handler synergizes really well with the Dr. and Nurse because they give her ways to get to combat without charging. A Watcher or the Eternal Flame can help Sonnia get shots off if there's a big piece of blocking terrain near where you have to engage, and Hunters are great for board control, influencing your opponent's activation order, etc. Those are the models I've been tending towards lately, and I'm finally really enjoying running our fire witch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticPangolin Posted February 1, 2016 Report Share Posted February 1, 2016 On 29/01/2016 at 11:38 PM, Adran said: Playing her without Burning basically means you aren't building your crew to give out lots of burning. The Burning gives her the ability to ignore LOS and Cover, and with an upgrade the ability to Summon from Death. And something had to see the target to set it on fire in the first place (or you have the Emmisary), so it doesn't always help. So she can play an area blasting master without worrying about burning just as well in about 90% of the situations. I need to get more games in with Sonnia (the way I play her I should probably proxy the Golden Axe Amazon for her and a pair of gnomes with sacks on one base, one blue and one green for the Brutal Effigy ) but I'm not the biggest fan of blasting things I wouldn't ordinarily see due to Burning, so I don;t base my list around it. I like getting as much mileage out of Violation of Magic as possible, and if she couldn't see the target without her wizard eyes then she isn't getting a Stalker. I actually like a Watcher for getting rid of cover, Scheming and the occasional (2) action. I do consider the Witchling Handler an auto-take for her to get more Burning around with models that wouldn't ordinarily give out any, but once again this is to net me more Stalkers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucket Monkey Posted February 1, 2016 Report Share Posted February 1, 2016 I've found the brutal emmisary with her conflux all the burning I need. His (0)to reliably put out burning at 10" not needing LOS means he can pick out the easiest target to get maximum effect from her blasts. He worked golden in the two games i took him at a tournament this weekend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LunarSol Posted February 2, 2016 Report Share Posted February 2, 2016 Burning isn't really a "thing". Outside of Hopkins and trying to pull off the summon, is really just an iffy alternative form of damage. She doesn't really do anything to change that, so building around it is kind of a waste when just a little is all she needs. As far as Sonnia vs Perdita: Perdita: + Better direct Damage + Armor Piercing + More Survivable + Better in melee Sonnia: + Better damage over multiple targets + Counterspell shuts down some significant threats + Fire Walls are great denial pieces + Easier to adapt crew build to different playstyles They're both among the best Guild has to offer. I tend to rank Sonnia a step below, but its more of a 1A vs 1B thing than 1 vs 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trikk Posted February 8, 2016 Report Share Posted February 8, 2016 I think I would take Sonnia vs Arcanists more due to Counterspell aura. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myyrä Posted February 8, 2016 Report Share Posted February 8, 2016 1 hour ago, trikk said: I think I would take Sonnia vs Arcanists more due to Counterspell aura. Arcanists actually have very few Ca attacks. I would take Perdita for the armor ignore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trikk Posted February 8, 2016 Report Share Posted February 8, 2016 Hm, makes sense, but Rasputina and I think Marcus could have some issues? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myyrä Posted February 8, 2016 Report Share Posted February 8, 2016 1 hour ago, trikk said: Hm, makes sense, but Rasputina and I think Marcus could have some issues? Perdita absolutely murders both of those masters and high Df and Wp will usually keep Dita herself safe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trikk Posted February 9, 2016 Report Share Posted February 9, 2016 Yes, but Counterspell aura has basically a 3" bubble around Sonnia, which IMO means its harder to not get your other models killed, but you are probably right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LunarSol Posted February 9, 2016 Report Share Posted February 9, 2016 Yeah. Arcanists are sadly a faction that got absorbed by one of its own subfactions and are way more a "heavy armor construct" faction than anything that really has to do with offensive spell casting. Even Raspy tends to armor up quite a bit and the ability to ignore that is what makes Perdita the go to pick there. Sonnia's blasts just lose too much against them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trample Posted February 14, 2016 Report Share Posted February 14, 2016 The real benefit of burning that I've experienced is the ability to ignore LOS and cover when using her ranged attack. With a 14" range that ability against burning opponents is massive in my opinion. You just can't hide from it! I lost a tournament game yesterday 6-5 almost entirely because of this ability. I just couldn't get away from her ranged attack. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clockwork Top Hat Posted February 14, 2016 Report Share Posted February 14, 2016 Sonnia is a blaster with a burning theme. Other models (Kaeris for example) use burning far more effectively. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sannop Posted February 15, 2016 Report Share Posted February 15, 2016 On 2/14/2016 at 4:11 PM, Clockwork Top Hat said: Sonnia is a blaster with a burning theme. Other models (Kaeris for example) use burning far more effectively. I agree with Clockwork. I guess I don't get the Sonnia burning vs. non-burning argument. Yes she doesn't have the synergy of some other condition masters, but the burning tokens help. I usually bring Witchling Stalkers and a Handler because they are excellent models for the price and just so happen to help Sonnia with burning, not because they burn. I have summoned stalkers and it is nice when it happens, but I don't plan on that as a necessity. So I suggest you not making a "burning list", but don't shy away from some models that would be in that list if you don't make a "burning list". Also, Sonnia brings many more options than Perdita. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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