Ludvig Posted January 13, 2016 Report Posted January 13, 2016 See the poll above. I have figured I could use a doppleganger with Samael for fun times. The executioner I'm not really sure what to do with except maybe bringing Granny Ortega to order him around. This idea is sort of glass-cannony but I'd be ok with that. More suggestions welcome! Quote
Myyrä Posted January 13, 2016 Report Posted January 13, 2016 I suggest Governor's Proxy. If you can actually get some mileage out of him, you deserve a cookie. 2 Quote
Ludvig Posted January 13, 2016 Author Report Posted January 13, 2016 14 minutes ago, Myyrä said: I suggest Governor's Proxy. If you can actually get some mileage out of him, you deserve a cookie. Oooh, I like that idea! Right now he is earning his name by proxying for my Scribe. 1 Quote
blomkaal Posted January 13, 2016 Report Posted January 13, 2016 I bought Executioners to use with Lucius, and then found out both his Obeys only work on Minions. Wah-wah... So yeah, make that happen, please 1 Quote
Ludvig Posted January 13, 2016 Author Report Posted January 13, 2016 22 minutes ago, blomkaal said: I bought Executioners to use with Lucius, and then found out both his Obeys only work on Minions. Wah-wah... So yeah, make that happen, please Yup, Lucius is kinda tricky that way in that he needs an entire own set of models to work and can't just steal everyone else's workhorses. The executioner is in the lead so keep your fingers crossed. Quote
Math Mathonwy Posted January 13, 2016 Report Posted January 13, 2016 I voted for your avatar. Because come on - you should be a Samael expert bar none. 4 Quote
Ludvig Posted January 13, 2016 Author Report Posted January 13, 2016 2 hours ago, Math Mathonwy said: I voted for your avatar. Because come on - you should be a Samael expert bar none. Woah, compelling argument! I might have to make this the year of unappreciated guild models and scrap my plans to go dark side with Lucius. Especially if I can get Cookies from Myyrä anyway Quote
Myyrä Posted January 13, 2016 Report Posted January 13, 2016 42 minutes ago, Ludvig said: Woah, compelling argument! I might have to make this the year of unappreciated guild models and scrap my plans to go dark side with Lucius. Especially if I can get Cookies from Myyrä anyway Technically, I didn't promise you a cookie. I merely said you'd deserve one. Quote
Ryin Posted January 13, 2016 Report Posted January 13, 2016 If you can't make Sam work, you should probably change your avvie ;O Quote
ArcticPangolin Posted January 14, 2016 Report Posted January 14, 2016 I love my Executioner, so would like to see you grow to also love yours. Sammael as your avatar is compelling though. Governor's Doxy I actually liked and used with Perdy in 1st edition, but the Enslaved Neph offers too much now for it to be any choice at all. Will be giving him a go myself when I get back to Guilding it up. 1 Quote
Trample Posted January 14, 2016 Report Posted January 14, 2016 Executioner because they're such great looking models. Quote
Ludvig Posted January 14, 2016 Author Report Posted January 14, 2016 13 hours ago, Myyrä said: Technically, I didn't promise you a cookie. I merely said you'd deserve one. Haha, I wonder why you title is Rules lawyer. The likelyhood of me making it work is so low that the question is near to irrelevant. I read through the faction generic totems again last night and was depressed. I thought he had 6" on his heal but nooo, that would be completely OP. It's hard to imagine how anyone sat down, compared the proxy to the primordial magic and decided that the proxy was obviously worth 50% more in ss. I will try to have him follow Lucius around. By my calculations I should be able to devil's deal my soulstones back if Lucius only ever walks once so that I stay within 3" of my deployment zone and can use Devil's deal on Lucius himself twice a turn while healing like a madman. Quote
Tawg Posted January 14, 2016 Report Posted January 14, 2016 I'm a Criid kind of guy, so Sam is the obvious choice. Plus the Witch Hunter subfaction in the Guild is, without exception, the coolest subfaction in Malifaux. They might not be the most fleshed out or overly "theme list" worthy subfaction, but I adore them all. Especially with the new starter set having all the Guildies being Witch Hunters, which seems a bit odd, but I'll take it . Is Sam a poor character in general? Or just when he is not directly supporting Criid? I thought he was sort of a scary dude, shooting around corners if you're on fire and such. Maybe that isn't the case though? Quote
Myyrä Posted January 14, 2016 Report Posted January 14, 2016 1 hour ago, Ludvig said: Haha, I wonder why you title is Rules lawyer. Your title can be whatever you want as well. You can change it in your account settings. 1 Quote
Ludvig Posted January 14, 2016 Author Report Posted January 14, 2016 1 hour ago, Myyrä said: Your title can be whatever you want as well. You can change it in your account settings. Thank you, I did not know that! I feel like a seventy-year-old around technology. Quote
Ludvig Posted January 14, 2016 Author Report Posted January 14, 2016 5 hours ago, Tawg said: I'm a Criid kind of guy, so Sam is the obvious choice. Plus the Witch Hunter subfaction in the Guild is, without exception, the coolest subfaction in Malifaux. They might not be the most fleshed out or overly "theme list" worthy subfaction, but I adore them all. Especially with the new starter set having all the Guildies being Witch Hunters, which seems a bit odd, but I'll take it . Is Sam a poor character in general? Or just when he is not directly supporting Criid? I thought he was sort of a scary dude, shooting around corners if you're on fire and such. Maybe that isn't the case though? I find he needs Criid to support him but offers her almost nothing. Sonnia needs pushes to get blasting after something beefy has locked her in melee. Sam needs Sonnia to set things on fire for hem and thrn flamewall thrm off so they can't kill him. He is far to squishy for my tastes. I also love the witch hunters! Just not impressed with poor Sam. Quote
CaerSidis Posted January 14, 2016 Report Posted January 14, 2016 @ Ludvig, whats your "to go" support for Criid? Quote
Ludvig Posted January 14, 2016 Author Report Posted January 14, 2016 1 hour ago, CaerSidis said: @ Ludvig, whats your "to go" support for Criid? I'm sad to say Francisco. He has a push, does very reliable damage and has a defence buff (with the hermanos de armas upgrade). I have a hard time finding enough pushes in guild that aren't specific to another master. Maybe I should go for a performer + another schemer instead. I feel obligated to mention that I absolutely suck at playing Sonnia so I'm probably doing something wrong. Quote
CaerSidis Posted January 14, 2016 Report Posted January 14, 2016 Why sad? I like the members of la familia. .. Whats about the judge? Quote
Shadowfane Posted January 14, 2016 Report Posted January 14, 2016 It's sad because Fransisco is basically the answer to the question "What would make this crew better, regardless of Master, crew, strat or scheme?" 4 Quote
Ludvig Posted January 14, 2016 Author Report Posted January 14, 2016 13 minutes ago, CaerSidis said: Why sad? I like the members of la familia. .. Whats about the judge? I was extremely psyched for the old Francisco concept art but due to criticism on these forums they changed it to the current version. His exquisite duelling seord got turned into a... something I'm not even sure what it is. This makes me sad inside every time I put the model on the table. Fun fact: The newly released alt is true to the original concept art that got scrapped but I wasn't prepared to make a big black friday order since I have a huge backlog on painting. It might also be related to the general concensus (that at least used to exist on these forums) that he is underpriced and always the best choice. I still have a hard time not including him, the buff alone is insane and on top of that he is more resilient and versatile than Samael and has a higher ml stat than all the others. As for the Judge his push action has a gun symbol. This means that you randomize when trying to pull someone out of melee. If you randomize onto the wrong model you will not get Sonnia out of melee making it useless. Even if you beat the enemy in the duel with your lousy Ca 5 you often just pull them so they clip Sonnia and stay engaged. I like the Judge in general but he doesn't offer Sonnia the thing I need (push out of melee) and I can rarely afford 2 or more 9ss henchmen in the same list. Quote
Myyrä Posted January 14, 2016 Report Posted January 14, 2016 1 hour ago, Ludvig said: It might also be related to the general concensus (that at least used to exist on these forums) that he is underpriced and always the best choice. His cost is still pretty fair compared to Francois. Quote
Ludvig Posted January 14, 2016 Author Report Posted January 14, 2016 25 minutes ago, Myyrä said: His cost is still pretty fair compared to Francois. Yep, and that's saying something! It's hard to find buffs on par with the Ortegas'. They're more or less the guilds equivalent of general upgrades I believe he is very worth his cost and really have a hard time not putting him in most lists. I was referencing a fairly recent thread were people were upset about him being called an auto-include. The reason for me not liking him is mostly my personal feelings with regards to the bait and switch. The fact that Wyrd decided to release the proper one has me very happy even if I might never get my own When I get a look at the new model at the club I'll probably try to sculpt my own sword for the old one. On a more constructive note I started poking around with crews. I have come up with a couple of gimmicky ones like Lucius with 7 activations and only a couple of minions (unlikely to ever see play) and some that might work in most fairly common scheme pools. With Lucius I will probably take a walk down gimmicky-lane trying to copy his stuff with the Doppleganger but I consider her integral to my Lucius playstyle anyway so it isn't much of a sacrifice. With McCabe I feel I actually have quite a few options since he himself fills the tank role and makes Sammy fast enough to be scary. I could also go Francisco+Diestro and still do almost anything with my list but I might have to take a shower after the game... The question is really who will take the medal for best Witchling spam list. I'm thinking Sam, Handler, Totem and fill the rest of the points with Stalkers. Quote
Ludvig Posted January 14, 2016 Author Report Posted January 14, 2016 Looking at my latest couple of comments I have decided that Samael won the vote with 12 to the Executioners 9 votes. Sam will be first up but after I have some fun with him the executioner will get the same loving treatment. The Governors Proxy will be included in every Lucius list but I can't for the life of me figure out what any other master could use him for. I'll try to have a look in the thread about him, can't remember what was said there. Quote
Dirial Posted January 15, 2016 Report Posted January 15, 2016 I like Samael with Sonnia a lot. Yes, he doesn't have a push - but he usually kills everything engaging her. I activate Sonnia early, and Sam late in the turn. He can hold far back (his first turn will feel kinda useless, though). I don't really play Franc with Sonnia any more. To be honest, Franc drops out of my lists a lot lately. He usually accompanies Dita, but Justice, Sonnia, McCabe? They leave him at home. 1 Quote
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