Dassenkop Posted January 5, 2016 Report Share Posted January 5, 2016 I'm planning to play a Pandora list with the Doppleganger and was looking at the Fugue State upgrade for Pandora for the first time. Looking closer at the Mimic tactical action on de Doppleganger it says it can select a (1) action printed on target non-leader models stat card or Upgrades that does not list a model by name ... etc. Would the Doppleganger still be allowed to take (1) Nullify attack action from Pandora's Fugue State Upgrade? Or does 'non-leader' reference apply both to the stat card as well as any upgrades on the leader model, i.e. Doppleganger cannot Mimic Pandora's Fugue State Nullify action? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludvig Posted January 5, 2016 Report Share Posted January 5, 2016 If the upgrade is attached to your leader you can't take actions from it. That's how I understand it at least. This might be more a question for the rules forum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
izikial Posted January 6, 2016 Report Share Posted January 6, 2016 either way the dopple couldn't take it as wether the upgrade Claus included leader or not it would still be an upgrade your trying to take of. But with that ability it is leader stat cards and and upgrades attached to the leader Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludvig Posted January 6, 2016 Report Share Posted January 6, 2016 5 hours ago, izikial said: either way the dopple couldn't take it as wether the upgrade Claus included leader or not it would still be an upgrade your trying to take of. But with that ability it is leader stat cards and and upgrades attached to the leader I don't understamd what you are saying. The doppleganger can use actions printed on upgrades as long as it's not the leader's upgrade it's printed on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dassenkop Posted January 6, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 6, 2016 12 hours ago, Ludvig said: If the upgrade is attached to your leader you can't take actions from it. That's how I understand it at least. This might be more a question for the rules forum. I would agree but what throws me off is the word 'or' before Upgrades. Not a native English speaker but by repeating the 'non-leader' reference before Upgrades it would have been more clear for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludvig Posted January 6, 2016 Report Share Posted January 6, 2016 Where in the sentence the "or" is isn't that important. Are you saying that you think it wants you to not take actions from upgrades at all? Because if that was the case it would seem really stupid to include the word upgrades at all since "take an action printed on a non-leader models stat card" would exclude all upgrade cards by not mentioning them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strangely Brown Posted January 6, 2016 Report Share Posted January 6, 2016 I think Dassenkop is right to highlight the ambiguity, that sentence as is stands can mean both: can select a (1) action printed on [target non-leader model's stat card] or upgrades that does not list a model by name which would allow Pandora's upgrade actions to be mimicked, OR can select a (1) action printed on [target non-leader model's stat card or upgrades] that does not list a model by name Which would not. I've always read this as the second - when considering the viable actions you can mimic, take the leader card and all the upgrades attached to that leader, and put them to one side. Then, pick an action (that does not list a model by name) from what's left in front of you. At least that's my interpretation 'Brown 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludvig Posted January 6, 2016 Report Share Posted January 6, 2016 37 minutes ago, Strangely Brown said: I think Dassenkop is right to highlight the ambiguity, that sentence as is stands can mean both: can select a (1) action printed on [target non-leader model's stat card] or upgrades that does not list a model by name which would allow Pandora's upgrade actions to be mimicked, OR can select a (1) action printed on [target non-leader model's stat card or upgrades] that does not list a model by name Which would not. I've always read this as the second - when considering the viable actions you can mimic, take the leader card and all the upgrades attached to that leader, and put them to one side. Then, pick an action (that does not list a model by name) from what's left in front of you. At least that's my interpretation 'Brown I thought he was saying you couldn't copy from any upgrade card no matter which model it was attached to. Now I see what you mean. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lusciousmccabe Posted January 6, 2016 Report Share Posted January 6, 2016 It's not ambiguous, the non-leader owns the upgrades. If it didn't they wouldn't be in plural and you'd probably need a comma before the 'or'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanYaDigIT Posted February 25, 2016 Report Share Posted February 25, 2016 nullify is also on the primordial magic card Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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