dreads Posted November 26, 2015 Report Share Posted November 26, 2015 Hey everyone on our podcast FlippinJokers we're wanting to review lists from you. Before anyone says it depends on strats and schemes, that's beside the point. If it matters choose whatever strats or schemes you want. We would like to know what your idea is for an optimal 50ss all comer Pandora list. We will look at and choose one or two, play them, and review them and discuss what we like and don't like about it on the podcast. Thanks in advance, dreads 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkeyking68 Posted November 26, 2015 Report Share Posted November 26, 2015 Pandora +Depression +Fugue State +Voices Primordial MagicBloodwretch Bloodwretch Candy +Fears Given Form +Useless DuplicationsInsidious Madness Insidious Madness Wrath +Fears Given Form 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tayne Posted November 26, 2015 Report Share Posted November 26, 2015 Sure, I’ll give you a couple. I vary my lists for every strategy but one thing I have found is that if I focus on a WP bomb list, I lose the moment Pandora gets in trouble. Instead, I now have a more mixed force and rarely use her woes. Well, except the obligatory Doppleganger. I’m not that silly.Pandora – Voices, Aether ConnectionNekimaDopplegangerJohan – Retributions EyeBeckonerIlluminatedPrimordial MagicThe Beckoner is all about WP based duels and can set things up for the Illuminated, which can put out crazy levels of damage. The Doppleganger is just a must, whether she copies Nekima, the Illuminated or Beckoner (normally to Lure early on), or Johan for condition removal (she’s a crutch, I use her in every list). Pandora focusses on paralysing and activation control while the rest of the crew butchers whatever comes into range. Scheme running comes later in the game here. Stones are used for high cards and suits to paralyze. Pandora does still hit things if needed, but I’d rather she paralyze 2-3 models a turn (I normally manage 1-2) and use the rest of the crew to hammer the opponent.An alternative list would be:Pandora – The Box Opens, Fears Given Form, Aether ConnectionBeckonerPrimordial MagicCoppelius – On Dreaming WingsDopplegangerJohan – Retributions EyeWidow WeaverCoppelius is hunting scheme runners early in game, then either scoring my own or joining the fray later. The others form a more central block. If I need to split them, Doppleganger and Johan will run around with two effective relic hammers, Pandy will be followed by the Weaver and Beckoner who ping off WP duels for extra Misery damage. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eclipse Posted November 26, 2015 Report Share Posted November 26, 2015 (edited) Pandora + Voices & Fugue State/The Box Opens, Aether Connection & Fears Given FormPrimordial MagicDoppelganger + DepressionTeddy + Retribution's EyeWidow WeaverSorrow x3While the list supports the traditional Wp theme and can sport strong control elements, you also have quite decent and flexible options for physical assault. Sorrows are often overlooked, but with Depression, their 'sticky port' move (:P) and careful placement they can turn into a real headache for your opponents.Edit: For the first list you can change Teddy + RE for Nekima, she's freaking amazing... Edited November 26, 2015 by Eclipse 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeregrineFalcon Posted November 26, 2015 Report Share Posted November 26, 2015 This allows for everyone to serve a different role based on strats/schemes. Has a healthy amount of Wp duels and The Box Opens helps Pandora deal with things that have high Wp, and low Df. Only swap in/out is the upgrade on Doppleganger depending on what role she will serve (if she is bodyguard then Mimic), if she is going after other big hitters she takes Retributions. 4ss seems low but I've found Pandora doesn't need a ton of ss. Insidious run around doing schemes early and then bust in turn 3/4/5 to help put the hurt on. Babaros will eat most of the ss to stay alive. Changelings can copy Pandora (and anyone else's stuff, so will stick around Pandora as much as possible).Neverborn50ss CrewPandora -- 4ss +The Box Opens - 2ss +Cry For Me - 2ssPrimordial Magic - 2ssBarbaros - 10ss +Pact - 1ssCandy - 9ss +Fears Given Form - 1ssChangeling - 4ssDoppleganger - 7ss +The Mimic's Blessing - 1ss (or +Retributions Eye - 1ss)Insidious Madness - 5ssInsidious Madness - 5ss 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Janje Posted November 26, 2015 Report Share Posted November 26, 2015 The list I take ALL the time is....Pandora+Fears Given Form+Aether Connection+The Box OpensTeddyEither Mimics Blessing VS a shooty Faction or Chargy Faction, or Retributions Eye against Armoury factions or DF Trigger Factions (I hate Squeeling away from teddy)Baby KadeDoppelgangerPrimordial MagicSorrowSorrrowInsidious MadnessI find this list is excellent as I tend to use Pandora to go "Balls Deep" on my opponent turn one, and cause the biggest mess known to man !Following turn, I can either cheat intiative or cash in "mood Swings" to get an easy first activation and then Pandora can just go to townI tend to do this schemes or strat, but if assassinate isn't in the pool then I'm laughing ;)! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dreads Posted November 26, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 26, 2015 Sweet. Thanks, I like them all. I will try some out, and talk about what we think about them in a future episode of FlippinJokers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eclipse Posted November 26, 2015 Report Share Posted November 26, 2015 Have fun with your podcast 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orkdork Posted November 27, 2015 Report Share Posted November 27, 2015 (edited) Sure, I’ll give you a couple. I vary my lists for every strategy but one thing I have found is that if I focus on a WP bomb list, I lose the moment Pandora gets in trouble. Instead, I now have a more mixed force and rarely use her woes. Well, except the obligatory Doppleganger. I’m not that silly.Pandora – Voices, Aether ConnectionNekimaDopplegangerJohan – Retributions EyeBeckonerIlluminatedPrimordial MagicVery close to my core as well. I do this for Pandora:Pandora, Voices, Aether Connection, On Wings of DarknessNekimaDopplegangerLilituPrimordial Magic Then basically fill in with the very same stuff you seem to like. It's a super-flexible all-comers crew, and in my experience, far better than WP-bomb Pandora. I don't "mainboard" Johan at the moment, but only because I don't want the list to be an exact copy of my Lilith list Edited November 27, 2015 by orkdork 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tayne Posted November 27, 2015 Report Share Posted November 27, 2015 I like Lilitu as well and can certainly see using that as a highly effective core. I'll only swap to the Beckoner if I'm running one or more Illuminated alongside.I've had too many McMourning-moments not to mainboard Johan these days. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santaclaws01 Posted November 27, 2015 Report Share Posted November 27, 2015 Anyone tried throwing in Lust? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tayne Posted November 28, 2015 Report Share Posted November 28, 2015 I don't own Lust yet, but Joel Henry used her on the table next to me at an event in September and declared her to be "filth". Three WP duels for one of her AP is amazing, and that's not factoring in the rest of what that AP does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeregrineFalcon Posted November 28, 2015 Report Share Posted November 28, 2015 I don't own Lust yet, but Joel Henry used her on the table next to me at an event in September and declared her to be "filth". Three WP duels for one of her AP is amazing, and that's not factoring in the rest of what that AP does.Lust is great with her but think in that case want at least two sorrows. Lust is good in general so yeah she be great in the list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anumberone Posted November 29, 2015 Report Share Posted November 29, 2015 (edited) I'd say the closest I come to an all comers list is Pandy with The Box, Primordial Magic and Doppelganger. Everything else is situational, although Candy often shows up. Looking forward to using Lust soon for her shenanigans and working out the kinks in my new favorite cop drama ' Insidious and Sorrow' -Tough times on the streets of Malifaux! Guess if I had to choose I'd add a couple of Insidious, Coppelius and a trapper, with the change in changelings. Edited November 29, 2015 by anumberone 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orkdork Posted November 29, 2015 Report Share Posted November 29, 2015 Lust seems like a wicked option for Pandora, even without Misery stacking (I really think Sorrows are a waste). My concern would be that tomes are already earmarked for 'dora and dopple.If I ran Lust, this would be my list:Pandora, AC, Voices, WoDNekimaDoppleLilituLustJohan or Silurid7 SS 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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