Oscilioth Posted June 4, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 4, 2015 Thanks for the tips guys! I may put a bit of roof on, but I was trying to avoid for ease of access. We'll see how things look when I get done. Gremlin Guy your buildings take a lot more effort than mine do, so take your time! Here's an update on my attempt at fire damage, not quite as good the one in the tutorial, but not too bad. And also the mine entrance I'm also working on simultaneously. What does everyone think? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavicusPrime Posted June 4, 2015 Report Share Posted June 4, 2015 ...It is also a little difficult to get specialised tools here in Australia, not a lot of support for hobbyists, especially outside of thew big cities! I'm lucky enough to be between several towns and cities but I've found that I really don't need any "special" tools for the most part. Just requires a little more ingenuity and perhaps time. I've done most of my terrain using an xacto knife kit I got 20 some odd years ago that included a razor saw and two hobby knives and a 4 part kit of small pliers and wire cutters. A scroll saw and sander and a couple clamps is all I need to make the bases. Everything else is improvised from what's lying around the shed. Judging by what you've been able to make so far with what you've got, you're doing just fine. -DavicusPrime Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavicusPrime Posted June 4, 2015 Report Share Posted June 4, 2015 The newer projects are looking good. You may have mentioned this already but I'm feeling too lazy to read the old posts... What are you making your bases out of? I've had a horrible time with warping over the years so I'm always looking for other ideas. Your bases are really thin but look like they've been staying flat for you so I want to know what it is. :-D -DavicusPrime Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antebellum Posted June 4, 2015 Report Share Posted June 4, 2015 Looking good. I agree that I think you need a bit more black on the burnt out section. It looked extra water-damaged for sure, but it doesn't come across as sooty. @DavicusPrime ... I'm not sure what he's using, but I've used 1/8" thick chip board with the holes (the dark brown stuff that is really fiberous that people have behind work benches and on store shelves). I think I've also seen people use spare tiles. I'm not sure what they're made of, but think school tiles that are like 1/16" thick. they're not light, but they should keep their shape pretty well if they're stored flat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavicusPrime Posted June 4, 2015 Report Share Posted June 4, 2015 @DavicusPrime ... I'm not sure what he's using, but I've used 1/8" thick chip board with the holes (the dark brown stuff that is really fiberous that people have behind work benches and on store shelves). I think I've also seen people use spare tiles. I'm not sure what they're made of, but think school tiles that are like 1/16" thick. they're not light, but they should keep their shape pretty well if they're stored flat. I've used the same material minus the holes and still have warping issues unless I glue 2-3 layers together. Storage is one of the problems... I have to keep my terrain out in my shed so my terrain has to handle temperature shifts and fluctuating humidity. And it seems the simple use of white glue on one layer of 1/8" hardboard will warp it in my experience. If it's just paint, one layer works fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oscilioth Posted June 5, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 5, 2015 Hey guys! Thanks for the comments! Yeah I've made do with what I can find here in Australia, and you definitely can, it's just not quite as simple as it may be elsewhere! We don't really seem to have hobby shops or game shops almost at all, and the ones that do exist get such poor business that usually hyper inflate the prices of everything. It's a shame, but can be worked around. The bases are made of styrene sheet, sometimes called plasticard, which is just basically sheet plastic. The stuff I'm using is 0.5mm, but thicker would probably be fine or maybe better. It does warp a fair bit, but it bends back fairly easily too. It mostly seems to have issues with PVA glue, but I've been able to twist it back to shape or put heavy things on it and flatten it out. Spray paint didn't warp it at all. I will try to make the fire damage look a little less like water damage, thanks for the tip! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dhampir Posted June 5, 2015 Report Share Posted June 5, 2015 Yeah I've made do with what I can find here in Australia, and you definitely can, it's just not quite as simple as it may be elsewhere A tip for fellow Aussies, Bunnings sells yellow polystyrene sheet in their roofing/insulation sections. It's slightly more expensive than blue or pink but it is heaps more readily available (especially if like me you live in a city devoid of any credible hobby supplies... Damn you Canberra!). Maybe hold it above a lit candle the soot will give it a lovely charred look. You could even maybe hold it a little too close and get real charring. Just make sure you seal it in or it will rub off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gremlin guy Posted June 7, 2015 Report Share Posted June 7, 2015 Can't wait to see how the mine entrance turns out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oscilioth Posted June 7, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 7, 2015 I actually went looking for that insulation foam but couldn't find it, this was a few years ago now though. Oh well, I lived without! Interesting idea for the burnt look! I didn't even think of that, I ended up painting it instead, but that would have been interesting to try (may burn down my house though). Here's the end result: Just for you Gremlin Guy, here's the mine: And an update on the breadth of coverage for the board: With all this done it's time for a few mid-sized pieces and the scatter terrain! I wanted to have some forest pieces in for severe terrain, but they may be a little too big considering how much room is left. I'll either have to alternate is forests and buildings, or just make the forest bases smaller. Any idea on which would be better? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lusciousmccabe Posted June 7, 2015 Report Share Posted June 7, 2015 You could make on large pice of forest terrain and then a few single/pairs of trees or bushes to scatter about the place. I really love how this board is turning out by the way. It's really telling a story with the one ruined building and the other conspicuously well maintained. It's like a derelict farm that the M&SU moved into secretly, or maybe they were the ones to drive the settlers off. Oh the intrigue! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnternalVoid Posted June 7, 2015 Report Share Posted June 7, 2015 I would suggest some CD sized forests, maybe two. Then you could make a third piece that is severe terrain but not be a forest perhaps, like a broken spot where the earth has collapsed in a bit or a Mud hole from an underground seepage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gremlin guy Posted June 7, 2015 Report Share Posted June 7, 2015 Looking good! I think I figured out why it looks like flooding more than fire. Fire, and the resulting smoke, go up faster than down. So there tends to be more damage at the tops of structures (or they're gone entirely as is the case with yours) than towards the bottom. Flood damage is the opposite, as the water, silt, and mud fill up to a level, and then lower over time. Consider the these two images: Aside from the missing parts, your building appears to be more damaged toward the bottom. All that said, it looks great! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oscilioth Posted June 13, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 13, 2015 I have gone with two mid sized forests, and I will also make some single trees too thanks for the suggestion Lusciousmccabe! And the compliments also! I will also probably make one more piece of severe terrain that isn't forest, preferably a Ht 0 piece, I was thinking mud too, but I'm not sure I have the materials too make it look good. I'll think on that one. Yes Gremlin Guy you are correct that is why it looks funny! It all makes sense, but it's also too late for me to want to try and repaint it! Next time I will be prepared though. Here's the forests I made, no work in progress pictures sorry. I tried to keep it mostly flat, and not too cluttered so it didn't get in the way of play, but it will count as severe, dense, and soft cover. Also if I wanted to have bigger forest... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dhampir Posted June 13, 2015 Report Share Posted June 13, 2015 That board is looking great. How about mixing dirt into gloss medium to represent mud? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oscilioth Posted June 19, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 19, 2015 I might try to mix up some mud, but I don't really want to buy anything else and I don't have gloss medium. I do have water effects, maybe that'd work? Added a few single trees for scatter terrain: Unfortunately most of the interesting bits of terrain are built now! I'll get a few more full board shots soon though, and when I'm all done I'll take some good pictures with a real camera! Any ideas for scatter terrain are appreciated! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lusciousmccabe Posted June 19, 2015 Report Share Posted June 19, 2015 Stacks of crates/sacks are always good for scatter terrain and would work with the theme of your board. Looking forward to seeing the whole thing! Out of interest, what are you using for the bases for your terrain pieces? I keep telling myself I'll make some terrrain some day and that looks reasonably easy to work with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oscilioth Posted June 29, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 29, 2015 Sorry for the slow reply, been busy at uni! The bases are made from styrene sheet I ordered from eBay, but if you're America you can probably get it in store somewhere. An update with some bits and pieces of scatter terrain for the board, all height one terrain for lane blocking and cover. After this is too smallish pieces of height zero terrain, one severe and one hazardous, then a few lengths of height two terrain, and a couple of scatter hazardous pieces and it's all done! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viagrus Posted June 30, 2015 Report Share Posted June 30, 2015 I really like what you did with the burned out building, the growth over the burned floor boards is a great touch. Your forests look great too. If you find you need some more scatter terrain, consider a mine cart (with or without rubble in it) and some piles of track materials. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnternalVoid Posted July 1, 2015 Report Share Posted July 1, 2015 Looks like you got good use out of the Hirst Art pieces, recognize them as I have a bag of them sitting next to my computer *Actually was making some misc terrain pieces with them in a similar manner* Though I am using the Dungeon accessory mold for some other pieces and putting them on card sized pieces of plastic. I am also actually making some small hazardous terrain pieces, about an 1.5" x 1.5". It is a camp fire from one of the molds. Though I am putting it on a metal washer so the fire can be removed if a model ends up on top *so no weird balancing issues*. I have been meaning to make more hazardous terrain to add some extra elements. Question: What was the thickness of the sheet for your bases? Been meaning to pick up some styrene for some other terrain pieces but the first one I saw was way to flimsy. Yours look somewhat thin but also stable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oscilioth Posted July 1, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 1, 2015 Thank you Viagrus! I was considering doing a mine cart and bits of track to give the board a little more flavour, but then I quickly realised that it didn't take that much terrain to cover a 3x3 board! The idea is currently in the "if there's room" pile. Those barrels and crates actually aren't Hirst Arts! They were made by someone from my local (local in Australia - hah) club. I was under the impression that he sculpted them himself and then molded them, but I looked up the Hirst Art set and they look almost exactly the same! Maybe he used their's as basis for his but I'm not sure. Yeah I would really like to incorporate some hazardous terrain into my board but the ideas I have just aren't coming to life. I also was going to do a fire, but it just isn't going to happen I don't think. Best of luck in that endeavor, I'd love to see the final result! The styrene sheet is half a millimetre thick (.02"?), and it is a little flimsy. It pretty happily sits so long as the weight of the piece on top of it is equally distributed to the amount of sheet. For instance, the side of the burned down house without the wall has suffered much more warping than the other side. I presume this is happenng because of the difference in weight. Otherwise yes it is pretty good, and relatively cheap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnternalVoid Posted July 2, 2015 Report Share Posted July 2, 2015 Had to grab mine and take a look at a blown up picture, cause they really do look like them. Maybe he made a mold of them based off pieces from the Hirst Art molds *a copy of a copy if you will*. I see, likely to flimsy for what I am thinking. I have been needing to find something strong enough to hold a decent amount of plastic in larger size for some stonework ruins I am thinking of making eventually. I am not a big fan of some of the other options I am seeing as they are often rather thick to support the weight. Well there is always time for further examination and research. Did you not like the fire idea or decided against it for other reasons? It is not to hard to make a camp fire for some small hazardous terrain. But if you want some more options I can throw some out for you. How about a corrupted pool? It could be acidic, Neverborn corruption *black bloodish*, or just red tinted in an evil way. A section of Traps, like a couple Bear traps or the like on a piece of the sheet. Thorn bushes. An underground pipeline that is just barely surfaced, cracked, and venting steam or deadly gas. To name a couple. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oscilioth Posted July 5, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 5, 2015 This styrene is probably the best trade off between sturdiness and thickness I've found, but you can get it in a whole range of thicknesses, so maybe a thicker version would work for you? I opted against the fire place because I wanted to create an abandoned feel for the board, and so I opted out of any man-made pieces that didn't look a little decrepit. A few of those options also went through my brain, and I may have a go at them if time permits, but for now I'm just sticking with a few simpler bits. Here's a couple more pieces updated: Scatter terrain painted up and ready to go! The next two are both height 0 hazardous and severe terrain respectively. Neither are particularly exciting unfortunately. The hazardous piece is meant to be kind of decaying land, I'll add a few gravestones in I think as well, just to give it a bit of a rotten air. The severe piece is just thick grass. I really just wanted them to not get in the way of placing the models down, but I think they could be better. Let me know what you think! It's all just about over now, next lot of pictures will likely be the final product! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnternalVoid Posted July 5, 2015 Report Share Posted July 5, 2015 Thickness is kind of the issue for me, I hate thick bases for terrain as often models want to hang out on the edge and if it is to thick it does not work so well to have model half on half off. Thus why I noticed the thickness of yours. Generally if I can help it I don't go thicker than a CD *which I use for terrain a lot*. Just CDs don't tend to fit houses and the like on them. At this rate you will have a nice full board with a nice mixture of traits. Reminding me I should have worked more on my own this weekend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oscilioth Posted July 9, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 9, 2015 That's understandable, it's the reason I opted for thin basing also! Here's a picture of the finalised board, I ended up with too much terrain, so the fences are missing for this set up, but extra is always good! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonasty Posted July 9, 2015 Report Share Posted July 9, 2015 That's an awesome board, good mix and coverage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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