MoonShadow7 Posted February 23, 2015 Report Share Posted February 23, 2015 I have Sonnia on the ground and she wants to use Flame Wall on an elevated terrain that is HT 2. How ''deep'' in that elevated terrain does she have LOS? Thanks for the continuous support! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Myyrä Posted February 23, 2015 Report Share Posted February 23, 2015 Ht 2 terrain counts as a vantage point. When checking the LoS from a vantage point to a model below, all terrain that has Ht lower or equal to that of the model below (this case Ht 2) is ignored, including but not limited to the vantage point terrain itself.In addition to that flame walls are Ht 5 so any and all terrain that is lower than Ht 5 is ignored when drawing the LoS to flame wall markers. Thus Sonnia can almost always see the flame walls no matter where you place them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 MoonShadow7 Posted February 23, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 23, 2015 Sorry for confusing you. I want to place the Flame Wall on the vantage point. The vantage point has a surface of 10 inches. How deep can Sonnia ''see'' in that elevated terrain? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 MoonShadow7 Posted February 23, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 23, 2015 Thanks! And if I want to shoot someone who is on the elevated terrain? What is my LOS, up to how much in ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Myyrä Posted February 23, 2015 Report Share Posted February 23, 2015 5" in. Sice that is the ht of flame wall.Wrong. Because like I said, all terrain that is less than Ht 5 is ignored, including the terrain the flame wall is placed on. It doesn't matter if the flame wall is on top of some terrain. Normal LoS rules don't stop applying when something is put on a vantage point. Few extra rules are just added.If you want to place flame wall on Ht 5 or higher vantage point, then you can only place it within 5" of the ledge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Myyrä Posted February 23, 2015 Report Share Posted February 23, 2015 I think I am reading what you are saying correctly, and I keep insisting that you are wrong. If the terrain is ht2 (a vantage point) and that terrain is 10" long And 10"wide a model can only draw los to an object (model or marker) that is its ht or less from the edge closest to the model.This is the part that you got wrong. The rules say that if model is within its Ht of the ledge of the vantage point terrain, then the ledge can be ignored when drawing LoS. Nowhere does it say that that is the only situation when the terrain the model is standing on is ignored. Normal LoS rules say that any intervening terrain that has Ht lower than one of the two models is ignored. Thus the distance to the ledge does not come into play until the vantage point is actually higher than both models, and since flame wall is Ht 5, Ht 2 vantage point terrain does not really affect drawing LoS to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Myyrä Posted February 23, 2015 Report Share Posted February 23, 2015 Ahh I see what you are saying. But since vantage points specifically say you use diagonal los I think it would over rule the standard los. Which is top down.And since vantage points specifically say:•Any LoS lines which pass over the base of blocking terrain (which isn't otherwise ignored) at a point within the terrain's Ht are considered blocked.Los goes base to base not base to ht.See what I did there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Myyrä Posted February 23, 2015 Report Share Posted February 23, 2015 The normal LoS rules don't stop applying just because someone is standing on vantage point terrain. I wonder how many times I have said that now... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Myyrä Posted February 23, 2015 Report Share Posted February 23, 2015 On that very same page: "Drawing LoS lines diagonally is similar to drawing them normally, with a few exceptions:" The list of exceptions doesn't say that normal LoS rules don't apply. I am now officially done with this topic and with you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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I have Sonnia on the ground and she wants to use Flame Wall on an elevated terrain that is HT 2. How ''deep'' in that elevated terrain does she have LOS?
Thanks for the continuous support!
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