StuffedKiwi Posted February 19, 2015 Report Share Posted February 19, 2015 One of my regular opponents has run Yin (in a Yan Lo Rezzer crew) against me a couple of times recently, and I'm finding her tough to counter (one game I had a Dreamer-summoning crew, the other a Pandora-Reckoning crew). Both of Yin's Mass of Viscera ability (-ve flips to attack and damage against her) and her Gnawing Fear attack (gives -ve flip to your Ca and Wp duels) are very disruptive. Any suggestions for Neverborn things that work well against her? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebarbalag Posted February 19, 2015 Report Share Posted February 19, 2015 Focus to attack her to counter Mass of Viscera. Only use high Wp models. Don't engage with low Wp, or she'll eat them alive, or prep them for same by other models. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirial Posted February 19, 2015 Report Share Posted February 19, 2015 Charge her with a Mature. She doesn't like on hit with weak 4. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zFiend Posted February 19, 2015 Report Share Posted February 19, 2015 Charge her with a Mature. She doesn't like on hit with weak 4. She does not. Gladly she has a way to prevent that from happening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirial Posted February 19, 2015 Report Share Posted February 19, 2015 She does not. Gladly she has a way to prevent that from happening. Well, yes, theoretically. Still, I have seen it done with some setup by Graves or Tangle, and she really doesn't like it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zFiend Posted February 19, 2015 Report Share Posted February 19, 2015 Well, yes, theoretically. Still, I have seen it done with some setup by Graves or Tangle, and she really doesn't like it. Sure there are ways around it. But it was quite fun when she kept Rail Golem away from action turns 2-4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patzer Posted February 19, 2015 Report Share Posted February 19, 2015 Yin can be a handful. A very weird model which either dies in no time, or can stay on the board forever while tying up what seems like every enemy model. As others have said, Focus or other ways to get to are the way to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirial Posted February 19, 2015 Report Share Posted February 19, 2015 I just love Yin. Everything about her. If I played Resser, she would probably be in every list. *goes looking for the 'Mako paints Yin' article* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterDisaster Posted February 19, 2015 Report Share Posted February 19, 2015 Charge her with a Mature. She doesn't like on hit with weak 4. Similarly you could just use Lilith with Living Blade. Use Tangled Shadows or any of the multiple push effects within the crew (Barbaros, Lilith upgrades, Mature Nephilim, Cherub, Graves etc) to bring Yin in and you get to Attack and Damage flips without needing to charge, if you push her in you'll even get a free attack from the Living Blade upgrade. Lilith utterly destroys Yin. Failing that a good few focused slaps from other heavy hitters do the job nicely as well. I just love Yin. Everything about her. If I played Resser, she would probably be in every list. *goes looking for the 'Mako paints Yin' article* "Bayou" Chronicles 11 - Page 46 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirial Posted February 19, 2015 Report Share Posted February 19, 2015 Similarly you could just use Lilith with Living Blade. Use Tangled Shadows or any of the multiple push effects within the crew (Barbaros, Lilith upgrades, Mature Nephilim, Cherub, Graves etc) to bring Yin in and you get to Attack and Damage flips without needing to charge, if you push her in you'll even get a free attack from the Living Blade upgrade. Lilith utterly destroys Yin. Failing that a good few focused slaps from other heavy hitters do the job nicely as well. It works, but I found it risky. She hits reliably, but the weak of 3 means you'll have to assume that Lilith needs 3 hits. And while Lilith utterly destroys Yin, the reverse is also true. Once hit with Gnawing Fear, Lilith is in a bad position against many Resser lists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nical Posted February 19, 2015 Report Share Posted February 19, 2015 Take Collodi & Friends. Remove Condition by Arcane Effigy, Spread Focus to Stitched or other minions by Fated. Kill her by Focused Minions. As the finish, Eat her corpse by Carrion Effigy's Buff. "hmmm... she tastes like zombie." So I mostly use Collodi against ressers. His puppets can solve any problems by them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuffedKiwi Posted February 19, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2015 It works, but I found it risky. She hits reliably, but the weak of 3 means you'll have to assume that Lilith needs 3 hits. And while Lilith utterly destroys Yin, the reverse is also true. Once hit with Gnawing Fear, Lilith is in a bad position against many Resser lists. Thanks for the good suggestions. Like Dirial, I've found that many of the things that are good against Yin are also quite vulnerable to her -- so I guess it's a matter of timing and placement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnternalVoid Posted February 20, 2015 Report Share Posted February 20, 2015 Last time I had to deal with Yin as a resser I think it was with Zoraida. I ended up obeying his Izamu to hit her as her Mass of Viscera ability only works on enemy models. Did good damage there as she did not have Hard to Wound so with Izamu's positive to damage I got a strait result and was able to deal 4 damage right there. After that I Obeyed a Ashigaru to Lunge at her. She ended up dying at the end of that turn due to the poison the Ashigaru gave her. Anyway you can make your opponent's own models attack her will help you alot as she lacks the traditional Hard to Wound that undead often have due to Mass of Viscera. Also they don't have to take a Terrifying test to attack. Zoraida can also Obey her own models to take the Focus action so that they can still charge her and get one decent attack. Collodi can make them attack her as well with his triggers if you set it up right too. Collodi can also use My Will on his own models and they will have the positive to hit to at least get a strait attack there. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zFiend Posted February 20, 2015 Report Share Posted February 20, 2015 That obey trick is outright nasty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirial Posted February 20, 2015 Report Share Posted February 20, 2015 That obey trick is outright nasty. I like it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mxbedlam Posted February 27, 2015 Report Share Posted February 27, 2015 I love how the Neverborn answer seems to end up being, take Zoraida and "Obey model X" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
admiralvorkraft Posted February 27, 2015 Report Share Posted February 27, 2015 Or Collodi and Vassilissa. There are many answers in-faction... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mxbedlam Posted February 27, 2015 Report Share Posted February 27, 2015 I can't wait to play Collodi, wait guess that's not true. I am waiting until he hits plastic. lol. But regardless I'm excited to finally get a shot at him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeregrineFalcon Posted February 27, 2015 Report Share Posted February 27, 2015 Don't forget about Flay trigger. If taking Nephilim can put Obsidian Talons upgrade and give flay to all Nephilim. More AP efficient than Focus to handle Yin. Also, don't attack her directly, just put a bunch of things with Black Blood right next to her FYI, Yin is in 90% of my rezzer lists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuffedKiwi Posted February 27, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 27, 2015 Mmm, I like the 'flay' idea. And the Black Blood idea. Also, it turned out, Lelu with double-plus flips from Lilitu's 'Whispers in the Blood' worked well. Then Yan Lo resummoned Yin, of course, and then Doppleganger focused, copied Lelu's attack, and took her down again (with the poison). So I think it turns out yes, there are many Nevrborn options, from the simple (focus) to the list-building (take Collodi/take Zoraida), to using specific models or upgrades. So thanks, forum-hive-mind, I now no longer feel quite so helpless. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hateful Darkblack Posted February 27, 2015 Report Share Posted February 27, 2015 The key to killing Yin is Focus. When you Focus, she goes from unkillable to vulnerable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fetid Strumpet Posted February 28, 2015 Report Share Posted February 28, 2015 Vulnerable-ish. Your still spending 2 ap to essentially get one normal attack on her, barring multi-focus shennanigans. If the negative flip only applied to the attack duel, yep she's be made of tissue if you can hit her with a focus. As it is she goes from being made of diamond to being made of granite. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snakeshit Posted March 12, 2015 Report Share Posted March 12, 2015 I saw a friend of mine take her down with the voodoo doll and hem. Quite a nice way to by pass those negatives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sybaris Posted March 12, 2015 Report Share Posted March 12, 2015 Would Nekima be a good counter to Yin? Never faced the she-viscera thing....but high wp, high weak dg, instant black blood damage...it does seem to connect with what you guys are saying. She does lack a + to hit though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirial Posted March 12, 2015 Report Share Posted March 12, 2015 Would Nekima be a good counter to Yin? Never faced the she-viscera thing....but high wp, high weak dg, instant black blood damage...it does seem to connect with what you guys are saying. She does lack a + to hit though. She can be good, but she might need a SS to get the . She can use a SS, at least, so that's good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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