SurreyLee Posted September 30, 2014 Report Share Posted September 30, 2014 Might seem a silly question but can models which do not normally have access to using soul stones actually discard two to avoid assassination? Card suggests they should but just thought to check. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adran Posted September 30, 2014 Report Share Posted September 30, 2014 Yes, any model can discard 2 soulstone to prevent being assasinated Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterDisaster Posted September 30, 2014 Report Share Posted September 30, 2014 I've always seen this being played and played it myself that models that can't use SS anyway can't use them. They had to discard cards and Masters / Henchman can discard either 2 Cards or SS. Looks like you learn something new everyday after all! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonahmaul Posted September 30, 2014 Report Share Posted September 30, 2014 The way that I've always interpreted it is that you need to be a Hench/Master to use SS but not to discard them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SurreyLee Posted September 30, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 30, 2014 I've always played it anyone can, but you can see how it could be open to interpretation... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zFiend Posted September 30, 2014 Report Share Posted September 30, 2014 Anyone can discard them as a price for not getting assassinated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticPangolin Posted October 1, 2014 Report Share Posted October 1, 2014 Some people may have it stuck in their heads as a carryover from 1st edition, as for abilities like this (that I remember) only those who could use soulstones had the option to discard stones to prevent insta-death. In 2nd ed, anyone can discard stones. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterDisaster Posted October 1, 2014 Report Share Posted October 1, 2014 Some people may have it stuck in their heads as a carryover from 1st edition, as for abilities like this (that I remember) only those who could use soulstones had the option to discard stones to prevent insta-death. In 2nd ed, anyone can discard stones. I didn't play 1.5 so for me it just makes sense. If you can use them you can also discard them. If you can't use them then you aren't carrying any to discard. Just an incorrect assumption on my part. Still it's nice to know for future references seeing as there is a lot of Misaki and Langston action round my parts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SurreyLee Posted October 2, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 2, 2014 Nobody likes Langston around their parts! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zFiend Posted October 2, 2014 Report Share Posted October 2, 2014 Nobody likes Langston around their parts! MD has always given me a weird vibe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterDisaster Posted October 2, 2014 Report Share Posted October 2, 2014 Nobody likes Langston around their parts! MD has always given me a weird vibe. *sigh* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SurreyLee Posted October 2, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 2, 2014 Now I actually feel that the rule could meant both ways. Discarding a stone is still using a stone and therefore only models which CAN use them, should be able to discard them. It also ties in that your Master and Henchmen are a little more valuable to you. Giving a master/henchman the use of soulstones only makes sense. It also means a trigger like assassinate is actually more balanced as it's easier to use against the chaff ( as they can only discard cards) but harder to pull off against master/henchmen (as they can discard either to suit). Is there any official ruling on this? Not that i'm looking for it, but the rulebook quite clearly states who can/can't use Soulstones and for me discarding is using (to avoid assassination). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonahmaul Posted October 2, 2014 Report Share Posted October 2, 2014 What makes you think that discarding is using? There's nothing that suggests this. I think it would make Assassinate far too powerful if this is the case because there's some pretty expensive Enforcers out there (what's that, you've hired Killjoy as a Merc for 13SS but have no cards left, tough he's dead). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SurreyLee Posted October 2, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 2, 2014 My reasoning behind discarding being using is the effect that discarding the stones actually brings to the table. I see your point on Killjoy (i'd not cry if that situation happened) but that could add to the level of tactical awareness. Neither am i saying that it's a correct assumption. What i am saying though is that i could accept either argument if put to me as above. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonahmaul Posted October 2, 2014 Report Share Posted October 2, 2014 My interpretation is that discarding them is throwing them away to no effect which is caused by the trigger whereas using them gives you suits/damage prevention/(=) flips etc. I can see the other way around but I don't think that it's written that way, nor is the intention that way. It would be incredibly restricting by essentially forcing you to keep two cards and two SS all turn if something on the board has the trigger. An official FAQ would be good though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SurreyLee Posted October 2, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 2, 2014 To my mind, the fact that only 2-3 models have this trigger means it could well be written for that shift in tactical thought. Still, it would be useful to get an official ruling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bengt Posted October 2, 2014 Report Share Posted October 2, 2014 If you read all the sections on soulstones in the rule book all the things Masters and Henchmen can do with SS are strictly defined. P 25, 28, 47, 55. Discarding to prevent game effects are not one of the Master and Henchman exclusive abilities, so either all models or no models can do it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SurreyLee Posted October 2, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 2, 2014 Hmm, you put forward a very strong case for that, and partly in line with my view were i to fall on that side. The other point i would have made is that the rulebook states that cards overrule the book. As the card states the model may discard two cards or two soulstones, i suppose this is a cracking reason to apply this ruling. For the record, i'd always played it this way but just trying to find ways it could be argued. Thanks for all the replies guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterDisaster Posted October 2, 2014 Report Share Posted October 2, 2014 Well now I'm totally confused on this one again... guess I'll go back to the one that makes most sense in my mind until somebody gets a definitive answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Brightside Posted October 2, 2014 Report Share Posted October 2, 2014 Isn't there someone who has a totem trigger which states that the totem target has to discard 2 cards or a soul stone or die. I find it weird that they would word it that way for a totem, seeing as there won't be a totem that can use soul stones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LunarSol Posted October 2, 2014 Report Share Posted October 2, 2014 Technically Huggy can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
entropolous Posted October 2, 2014 Report Share Posted October 2, 2014 Isn't there someone who has a totem trigger which states that the totem target has to discard 2 cards or a soul stone or die. I find it weird that they would word it that way for a totem, seeing as there won't be a totem that can use soul stones. Sue is the model with this trigger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonahmaul Posted October 2, 2014 Report Share Posted October 2, 2014 Technically Huggy can. Huggy is Henchman though anyway isn't he (it?)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VeZuri Posted October 2, 2014 Report Share Posted October 2, 2014 Huggy is Henchman though anyway isn't he (it?)? Only if he leads a Crew. If Lynch is around, Huggy is a Totem (Though he might retain Henchman status too; can't remember his card by heart). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LunarSol Posted October 2, 2014 Report Share Posted October 2, 2014 Huggy is Henchman though anyway isn't he (it?)? That's the point. I was responding to the idea that Totems can't spend Soulstones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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