Colette v Lady J Video Report

[Lucidicide]

Yes, Step 3 of Actions takes part in Step 5. They are phrased differently to help illuminate different things. 

[rgarbonzo]

okay I can dig it, just want to make sure. The FAQ makes mention of Step 5 of the Action sequence, though there isn't one might want to clean that up.

[Lucidicide]

I leave that to the illustrious Justin.

 

I just know how it works, regardless of what it says, haha.

[mythicFOX]

There are five steps in resolving a duel. Which is what IMHO Aaron is referring too.

[Fetid Strumpet]

The practical upshot of which is?

[Justin]

Big rulebook, pg. 30, right hand side, heading 4 "declare one trigger":

 

"After resolving: These effects happen after step 5, regardless of success or failure."

 

Step 5: determine success (same page), last paragraph:

 

"...the results of success or failure are resolved."

 

So "after resolving" triggers happen after the results of success or failure are resolved, this includes damage.

 

It's also worth noting that "After Succeeding", "After Failing", and "After Resolving" all have the same timing point in their description (after step 5) the only thing that differentiates them is whether damage or failing the duel is required. Their timing is the same, as listed in the descriptions on pg. 30. So, no, "after resolving" does not mean it needs to wait until all attacks from a charge are resolved, for example, as the timing is defined in the text of the rule, not in its name. And that timing is after step 5.

 

Everything you need is on pg. 30.

[DeleteAccount]

The moment you accept that ALL trigger happen after applying damage but before removing the model in case of death, everything becomes crystal clear.

[Fetid Strumpet]

If that's the case how does that interact with triggers which change the target of the attack like the Dreamer?

[Sevorin]

Kris and a few people came up with this after a lengthy discussion of proper order, as a guide. I like it.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/klnbpaxzcefwdep/Action%20and%20Trigger%20Sequence.docx?dl=0

 

If you find anything incorrect, be sure to say so, I can let him know (unless he sees this, himself).

[Justin]

If that's the case how does that interact with triggers which change the target of the attack like the Dreamer?

 

You just rely on the ability to tell you what it does, as the Dreamer's does pretty explicitly.

[DeleteAccount]

If that's the case how does that interact with triggers which change the target of the attack like the Dreamer?

... And you just shot down the way I rationalized all triggers in my head in a single swoop, well played dear sir, well played.

 

So I guess they all happen after damage and before removing the model unless the effect directly affects the damage caused?!

[Bengt]

... And you just shot down the way I rationalized all triggers in my head in a single swoop, well played dear sir, well played.

 

So I guess they all happen after damage and before removing the model unless the effect directly affects the damage caused?!

Step 4 say "A Trigger's effect is resolved immediately unless another time is indicated in its description.". This works well for things like Rail Worker | Metal on Metal that has no explicit timing information, you can resolve it in step 4 and note that the Rail Worker has some extra reduction during the action.

[rgarbonzo]

Yeah that is true and I thought I had them all in there...  *sigh* back to the editing room

[Uktena]

... And you just shot down the way I rationalized all triggers in my head in a single swoop, well played dear sir, well played.

 

So I guess they all happen after damage and before removing the model unless the effect directly affects the damage caused?!

Critical Strike.

[DeleteAccount]

Critical Strike.

... I hate the writing of the trigger timing rules

[Kadeton]

So for clarification, does the Action resolve before the Actions that trigger from it (Onslaught etc) begin?

In this specific case, would extra attacks from triggers still inflict full damage because Statue hasn't kicked in yet?

[Bengt]

So for clarification, does the Action resolve before the Actions that trigger from it (Onslaught etc) begin?

In this specific case, would extra attacks from triggers still inflict full damage because Statue hasn't kicked in yet?

Both Statue and Onslaught/Overpower resolve after step 5, in the imaginary step 6 if you will. The defender's trigger goes first as per the last sentence under step 4. The original Action isn't finished until after generated Actions as per the box on p38 so that will be after our imaginary step 6. So "After Resolving" is not the same as "After the Action".

[The Godlyness]

So for clarification, does the Action resolve before the Actions that trigger from it (Onslaught etc) begin?

In this specific case, would extra attacks from triggers still inflict full damage because Statue hasn't kicked in yet?

 

 

correct. the first attack has not resolved yet.

[Carcosa]

All they had to do was word it like Perdita's defensive trigger and all would be good, that's Why I said before the wording is terrible.

[Guy in Suit]

LOL Kris - now you see why I didn't really follow why you thought this was so good... If you play Statue the wrong way it is completely insane!!!

[Sevorin]

Yeah, and something positive came out of it, I think. I like the triggers/action sequence checklist. You wont use it all the time, but it will come in handy during the more complicated questions.