Lupercal Posted July 27, 2014 Report Share Posted July 27, 2014 What? Shh it's not supposed to make sense he is trying to bamboozle Justin into giving us more info. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asrian Posted July 27, 2014 Report Share Posted July 27, 2014 omg thankyouthankyouthankyouthankyouthankyouthankyouthankyou THANK YOU! I doubt the big man will tell us what they'll do, but could you at least give us the number of new upgrades? Are they all Tara, or does Karina and the NB get some love? I thought he said on Malifools there would be two (or a "couple"). can't recall the quote but still leads to some potential utility with the crew. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeleteAccount Posted July 27, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 27, 2014 I understood 2 myself, which I basically consider that it translates into 1 for Karina and 1 for the Nothing Beast. God knows that the last thing Tara herself needs is more upgrades she needs to take. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpiralngCadavr Posted July 28, 2014 Report Share Posted July 28, 2014 Yeah, Tara can get along with a few upgrades that are kind of muddled, but the NB needs one to be more than a fluffy alternative in friendly games and Karina needs one to be, well, more than a proxy, handicap, or possibly a pretty but useless paperweight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaptain_Konrad Posted July 29, 2014 Report Share Posted July 29, 2014 She even fails as a paperweight. Tried using her to hold down my print outs until my fan across the room blew her off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bengt Posted July 29, 2014 Report Share Posted July 29, 2014 You just need to give her a base out of osmium or something, give the poor girl a chance. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaptain_Konrad Posted July 30, 2014 Report Share Posted July 30, 2014 I want to, i really do. I still take her because i build thematic crews, but it feels like a piece of me is missing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpiralngCadavr Posted July 30, 2014 Report Share Posted July 30, 2014 I'm pretty sure that's a piece of Tara, not you And yes, while I've mostly just been getting LE stuff at the gencon sale, 100% going to pick up the outcast deck then because of Tara's cards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Math Mathonwy Posted July 30, 2014 Report Share Posted July 30, 2014 I really wish these had been crowd tested (due to the not-so-great track record of in-house testing for Tara) but it's still good news. I really hope that they are in the new book so I don't need to buy the Outcast deck, however. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpiralngCadavr Posted July 30, 2014 Report Share Posted July 30, 2014 Yep, I hope all the feedback from people's frustrations and the talk during the avatar tests were enough to get some proper feedback. A bit worried (since there didn't seem to be a clear single direction for the crew during the avatar beta) but hopeful/optimistic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loveless Posted July 30, 2014 Report Share Posted July 30, 2014 Maybe we'll get a Karina Upgrade..."Less Than Nothing". No additional effects, but it costs -1SS to take. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clement Posted August 8, 2014 Report Share Posted August 8, 2014 Fun follow up question on this. Will these additional upgrades be added to the Tara box when its eventually released? I'm hoping not to have to buy the wave 2 arsenal deck for 2 cards. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bengt Posted August 8, 2014 Report Share Posted August 8, 2014 Tara box when its eventually released? Like that's ever going to happen. Maybe in M3E when there are new rules anyway... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
valhallan42nd Posted August 8, 2014 Report Share Posted August 8, 2014 Funny story... I lost my Karina, as I never bothered assembling her, and she got lost in the random shuffle of hobby supplies. Here's hoping no one has an issue with a Through The Breach character as a proxy.* *If she becomes useful, that is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loveless Posted August 8, 2014 Report Share Posted August 8, 2014 Aw...Karina is a fun model as far as looks go - she's just too expensive for what she does. I really think they overvalued her Bash trigger...or possibly her "discard Red Joker" ability. Ho hum. Honestly, I'm hoping we get something to make her a bit more effective... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clement Posted August 14, 2014 Report Share Posted August 14, 2014 so with the webstore open, I cross referenced the outcasts deck list of upgrades and found 2 cards that aren't in the downloadable Wave 2 stuff OR the Wave 3 generic upgrades. The Faces of Oblivion Void Shield Now! Someone at Gencon tell us what they actually do Also someone tell us if the normal Tara box will come with them, I still want to know. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adran Posted August 14, 2014 Report Share Posted August 14, 2014 I would very strongly expect the normal Tara box to come with them, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeleteAccount Posted August 14, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 14, 2014 From Facebook So Karina's upgrade lets her Take Guild autopsies in her crew and she can summon Horror Minions for a (0). Summoned model isn't slow, but is buried, slowed and takes 1/2 wounds at end of turn. Can't be used if there's a buried horror. Nothing Beasts upgrade is a Void shield: Let's the crew bury enemy models even if friendlies are buried (only when NB is in play) and can discard to prevent all damage on an attack. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeleteAccount Posted August 14, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 14, 2014 Karina's sounds awesome, but I have the very big question of how that model gets unburied since if Tara can't do it for whatever reason, you screw yourself from being able to bury anything else indirectly. The Nothing beasts upgrade is OK, but frankly, what it does should have been how burying with Tara should have worked from day one, if it's a 0 SS upgrade, then the discard is a great way to give it some artificial resilience so something can activate and drop cards to bump up it's defense. Devil is in the details but I like what I'm seeing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpiralngCadavr Posted August 14, 2014 Report Share Posted August 14, 2014 Hmm, interesting. If Karina's costs anything, it's probably still not going to be worth it unless those target numbers are low, and it's yet another Tara ability that looks more aimed at outcasts acting like ressers. The Nothing Beast's, I agree, is mostly just patching what should be there. The damage prevention looks great, though, since that first activation is often what gets him killed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loveless Posted August 14, 2014 Report Share Posted August 14, 2014 Yeah...the Karina upgrade feels nicely in character and such, but it really depends on 1) Cost 2) How to unbury... Nothing Beast's is nice, but again dependent on cost - plays well with some of Tara's upgrades, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeleteAccount Posted August 14, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 14, 2014 Talking with someone that knows about it in Chat, both upgrades are 0 SS. The summoned model is buried but can't be unburied outside of Tara with Symbiote, so Death Marshals are pretty much a requirement if you expect to do any burying. No idea about the casting cost of the spell though which will make it or break it. If you pass on Symbiote, then Karina's summon becomes less of a hassle, though you will end up accumulating forgotten horrors under the ground. Seems her Ca action is harder than masters, still don't know if she needs the crow or not. If she needs the crow, she is useless as far as I'm concerned... Really need to find out the exact casting details. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clement Posted August 14, 2014 Report Share Posted August 14, 2014 I'm not hearing anything about a corpse marker needed... This would let Karina focus on summoning guys for Tara to stuff in your opponents face. There are a lot of really good horrors out there to choose from. Punk zombies, all of the students, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeleteAccount Posted August 14, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 14, 2014 I'm not hearing anything about a corpse marker needed... This would let Karina focus on summoning guys for Tara to stuff in your opponents face. There are a lot of really good horrors out there to choose from. Punk zombies, all of the students, etc. I tend to hire the stuff I'm interested in jamming on my opponents face, the unbury is still a 7+ of crows, so it's not like she can machine gun through it. Also, Really depends on how flexible Karina is at summoning, if she can only use crows and has a lower Ca than a master, then she will only have 3 that would let her summon a punk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypoking Posted August 14, 2014 Report Share Posted August 14, 2014 The solution to Tara's signature stuff being inefficient is to play with Molly's signature stuff instead. The solution to Tara being too upgrade dependent is to take a free upgrade on a totem which requires another dedicated upgrade slot on Tara. Think I have to be missing something here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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