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  1. Thought I'd write out a "crunchier" bat-rep from the tournament I went to in Des Moines last weekend! I finished top of Faction over zero other Guild players! Round One: 5-3 loss running Nellie into Shenlong on Corrupted Idols, Corner Deployment. Vendetta, Power Ritual, Take Prisoner, Assassinate, Outflank. Board had fairly wide open spaces. My list: (I took Outflank and Power Ritual) Nellie w/LLC P. Press Alison Dade Field Reporter Mounted Guard The Jury Undercover Reporter False Witness His List: (He took Outflank and Power Ritual as well, I believe) Shenlong w/Masked Agent Aspiring Student Aspiring Student Wandering River Monk Wandering River Monk Low River monk Samurai w/Trained Ninja Samurai w/Trained Ninja Sensei Yu Round One: My plan was to send Nellie one way with the Mounted Guard, and Alison and the Field Reporter to the other corner. I doubled up on Outflank and Power Ritual, and felt I could beat my opponent to the corners with Reporter speed and the Mounted Guard. I wound up deployed with the idol token on the Alison/Reporter side instead of Nellie, and adjusted my plan to have the Mounted Guard, Printing Press, and Nellie chip away at a Samurai (he deployed them both centrally to my deployment zone to take potshots) -- I think this was a game-defining waste of AP by me, but at the time I wanted to clear it so Nellie could have a line on potential idols through the central three drop points. His round one was a big Shenlong power-up followed by that crazy 21" charge into my Mounted Guard (again, I should have just moved it a full 19" to the corner, but instead took a potshot at the activated samurai, tempted by my own Pursue bonus!). My Undercover Reporter replaced his flanking monk running towards the opposite corner, setting him back a turn's worth of AP. Round Two: I scored 3-0 on him: the second idol landed by the first and I tossed one over as Alison and the Undercover Reporter had my Field Reporter interact to drop a marker. He wasn't able to bring enough force in to remove or contest that corner. Meanwhile, on the opposite side I had my Mounted Guard run in to drop a power ritual marker for the following round, and Shenlong came in and killed it -- critically misplaying by finishing it with a kick instead of the anti-demise Dragon's power, so I was able to "gotcha!" him by replacing into a Guard Patrol that counted as my outflank point. Nellie wasted more time stuck with the Samurai because I still wanted a line on the center. Round Three: he won initiative and was finally getting monks to bear on the Field Reporter/Undercover Reporter corner. He was able to tie up Alison finish off my Field Reporter, and score an idol. Shenlong handily cleared my guard patrol and stood defending that corner. He scored 3-0 on me this round on Outflank and (I believe) Power Ritual. Our game tipped into Round Four with about 10-15 minutes left. I hustled towards the corners and nearly kept Alison up for Outflank and Power Ritual, but he was able to kill Alison on one corner and then used Four-Winds-Punch into my Black Joker to move Nellie's marker and flip it to Ten Thunders (actually he just moved Nellie and dropped it; we post-gamed that and realized LLC would have stopped the movement, but he still could have simply flipped it's alignment in the corner. He scored Outflank and the Strat to end 5-3. Match Two: I ran Lady Justice into Jack Daw in Reckoning, taking Dig Their Graves and Power Ritual. I won 5-1. This game was pretty methodically a matter of applying the Lady J toolbox to an undead melee crew. I brought 2 exorcists, Judge, Jury, and Lone Marshal. He brought a handful of hanged, guilty, dead outlaw, and Montressor. The real defining feature here was that we were in Flank deployment and my zone literally had an elevated platform with a ramp up to it. I put the exorcists, Jury, steward and Lady J up there and put the Judge and Lone Marshal on another flank. The Lone Marhsal charged out and took a run-and-gun shot on his way to round 2 Power Ritual. My (significant) totem stayed in my back corner for the second power ritual point, and in round 3 the Marshal, totem, and Lady J with her leap scored that. Round 2 Lady J set up the Reckoning and Dig Their Graves point by leaping in, dropping a marker (2" engagement advantage) and dealing most of the damage required: an exorcist finished up the kill and the point for strat and scheme. The Judge harried his sidelines and dropped a bunch of damage into Montressor, who I killed Round 3 (size 3 model is VERY visible to ranged attacks). He dogpiled the Judge in rounds 2 and 3 and got his point from Reckoning -- even that was a close thing. If we'd had more time, I had a pretty clear field round 3 to finish up Dig, even by finishing off my own models that his Drowned had spammed some damage onto with a Red Joker blast. Match Three: I ran Nellie into Zipp on Wedge Plant Explosives. Schemes were Deliver a Message, Claim Jump, Detonate Charges, Take Prisoner, Hold Up their Forces My list: (I took Detonate Charges and Claim Jump on my Investigator, hoping to get some good synergy going in the middle by having the False Witness drop multiple scheme markers while the Investivator's bubble pushed people away.) Nellie (bomb) P. Press Field Reporter (bomb) Alison Dade (bomb, bomb) The Jury Investigator False Witness Undercover Reporter Guild Hound (bomb) His list: (He took Deliver a Message (misplay!) and Take Prisoner on the Investigator ... stopping my Claim Jump hopes!) Captain Zipp Earl Burns (bomb) The First Mate (bomb) Pigapult Bayou Gator (bomb) w/ 12 cups coffee Taxidermist w/ Inferiority Complex (bomb) Taxidermist w/ Inferiority Complex Flying Piglet (bomb?) I had a rough deployment here, with a patch of spikes adjacent to the front of one side of the wedge. It bunched me up a bit. I may have his bombs wrong. Round One he opened with Zipp and dropped 2-3 pianos along my remaining open flank, really bottlenecking me. It scattered a bunch of damage and I mostly took it, since a concerted attack was going to finish my Guild Hound or False Witness anyway. A handful of models simply made their saves because my hand was trash. My opponent seemed frustrated that I held so many cards, and told me post-game he was worried I'd be able to win real duels later in the round from that. Alison bolted free and tied up Earl Burns, clipping him early round 2 and denying one bomb. The Undercover Reporter activated late to send the caffeinated Bayou Gator home, so he lost one round's worth of upgrade movement. The Pigapult launched a Taxidermist into my backfield to cut up my False Witness and I just gave up on him and pushed everyone else forward. Round Two was a chaotic mess in the middle. I kept trying to clear ground for Claim Jump with marker dropping and Nellie-mispositioning; he kept shoving models back at the figure to score Take Prisoner. At one point he tried to Deliver a Message to Nellie, only to have me point out the Exclusive Interview problem. I felt bad about the Gotcha! but it hadn't occurred to me to explain it pre-game -- I'm really new and I'm used to everyone else knowing more than me, and it hadn't occurred to me that he wouldn't know the mechanics there. I had simply chosen Nellie to foreclose one of his choices. I scored the strat easily, and he was able to get a marker down as well. By round Three he'd torn my force up pretty well. Alison was able to score me strat points and I got off a detonate charges with Nellie by interacting through Don't Mind Me and forcing one of his models to drop the other token for it. He scored Take Prisoner on the Investigator and denied my Claim Jump. Round Four we were pressed for time, leading to us each scoring the strat. He took the win at 5-4 or 5-3, I honestly can't remember which, but I think it must have been 4 because I was able to get strat points with Alison consistently and did pull off detonate once. He got three strat points and both Take Prisoner points -- the second one he dogpiled models onto the Investigator and blocked a good amount of space with a piano to prevent any escape lanes. These were good games and I think Guild has play, for sure. I probably need to bring a bit more firepower or tarpitting into my Nellie crews, and Lady J really had a chance to shine when everything went her way (matchup, terrain, schemes). Meanwhile, I'm on the player learning curve trying to catch up to all you guys who have been playing for years -- these were my 6th, 7th, and 8th games of Malifaux skirmish!
  2. So i was playing a game of 50 ss with jack, running amongst others 2 guilty. My opponent was running an ashes and dust. In the first round, his ashes killed my guilty, therefore attaching the punish the wicked upgrade to it. So far so good. However, as i then killed his ashes, we noticed, that both demise abilities would go off. However, the demise of the ashes and dust would replace the model with the ashen core, wich would keep the upgrade on it, while the punish the wicked just summons the guilty and doesn't remove the upgrade itself. When i then killed the core in the same activation, it summoned a seccond guilty to the table. Is that really how it works or did we get something wrong? And if it is, is it intentional?
  3. Jack Daw has a curse upgrade called "Firing squad injustice". The relevant part of it says the following "When this models declares an Attack Action it suffers 2 damage which may not be reduced". In a recent game Jack Daw had attached this upgrade to Lady Justice. She used her Tactical Action "Acrobatic assault" from the Swordfighter upgrade. The relevant part of it says "Place this model within 4" of its current location, then take a (1) MI Attack Action against a target in range." So, in this situation, has Lady Justice declared an attack action? She takes an attack action, but is that the same thing as declaring it? The action she declares which lets her take the attack action is listed as a Tactical action. Or is it considered that the Acrobatic assault tactical action generates an attack action which must then in turn be declared as well? Would it be any different if she used a "Charge" action? It is also a Tactical action which generates attack actions.
  4. I looked around a bit but couldn't find a clear answer. Do models need to be completely within six inches of jack daw for the writhing torment push or is it just as long as any part of the base is within six? Thanks in advance
  5. Hey guys, after a long break (played a lot of 10T lately), I decided to give my Outcasts a try in GG18. Unfortunately, I don't own so much, so I haven't a real flexibility in builds. The rolled Strategy and Schemes are these: Ply For Information (we decided to play Extraction, just to change a bit) Surround Them Inescapable Trap Public Demonstration Hold Up Their Forces Vendetta Given I own Hamelin, Parker, Jack Daw and some random stuff, what are your advises about the game? Is Hamelin able to play into these Schemes? I know he's really powerful and can do almost everything, but don't know. By the way, I thought to go for Hold Up Their Forces and another one (Surround Them or Vendetta, probably), 'cause I think Montresor will shine into Hold Up. What can be an efficient runner? The Midnight Stalker? Thanks in advance.
  6. I was reflecting on the GG18 for my Masters (Hamelin, Jack and Parker) and, all of a sudden, I came with this revelation: is Hamelin effectively weak in Ours? The whole game of Hamelin is about cycling, and with cycling you summon constantly new models. The things you play with him surely follow this road: Abominations, Desolation Engine, Ashes & Dust, Rat Kings, Rat Catchers, Stolen. How is my Tyrant supposed to play into this Strategy? Help me guys and you'll get a slice of cheese.
  7. Hey guys, what are the best picks for a Jack Daw list (in terms of crew)? I tried the box (Montresor and Ligeia together are an awesome tarpit), one or two post-errata Desperate Mercenary, Jaakuna Ubume, Ama No Zako (gave her Oathkeeper and Tormented with a Guilty). Which are your common picks? Do you think he can run a spam list with Aionus on top of that?
  8. Arcane Emissary use his (0) The Negation on Target Model (TM) and target gains condition "Negated: This model loses all non-Station Characteristic" . 1) Jack Daw gain to TM upgrade with "This model gains the Tormented Characteristic" Do the TM have Tormented Characteristic because of Upgrade or not because of Negated? 2) Viktoria discard Howling Wolf Tattoo and gain to TM condition "Blood Ties: This model gains the Sister Characteristic" Do the TM have Sister Characteristic because of Blood Ties or not because of Negated?
  9. So Jack Daw's new upgrade says that when a guilty model is killed jack may "Choose a Cursed Upgrade that this model does not have attached and that is not attached to an enemy model." Does this allow him to attach the Suffocating Injustice? I'm assuming it doesn't since he's not an emissary of fate, and Growing doesn't say that you ignore restrictions. I also assume it doesn't let you go above your upgrade limit as well.
  10. Hi Guys, i gota couple of questions of Jack's abilities. 1) if an enemy model has frame for murder on it and it died to Jack's curses, does it award VPs? 2) i took betrayer and twist and turn upgrade on Jack. I made an enemy model tormented by final fate trigger and then i cast twist and turn to make it attack Jack, who controls the horror check? I heard that i will control the enemy's flip and i can cheat with my hand to fail it if i can. Is it correct?
  11. Montresor use his (0) Fearful Whispers. "All models in range must pass a TN 14 Wp duel or be pushed in base contact with this model..." 1. Models must be pushed directly toward into base contact (A) or it can be pushed aside (B)? 2. If B is correct - can incorporeal models be pushed through and placed in base contact on the other side of Montresor's base? 3. Who will determine the order (and place if B is correct) of pushes enemy models?
  12. Hey guys, I am new in Malifaux and would like to try the Jack Daw crew to begin. I have read some posts about the play style of Jack and I believe the curse ability is one of the focus and fun point for playing Jack. I was wondering since there are only three curse for him and your opponent can simply get rid of the curse by discarding a card, then how can the curse really do the damage in game? Or if I have miss something about the curse? Thank you for any opinion!
  13. hello people, I have been running Jack Daw for a while now and with all the movement shenanigans and curse potential he is my favourite, I just keep finding new and cool lists with him. I have recently tried the following list Jack Daw > Writhing torment Twist and Turn 3 curses Jakuna Ubume > The creeping Terror Ama Na Zako Lady Leiga Ronin Johan Montressor > fearful whisper Brick by brick I have found another interesting way to play him (this may not be a new way to some but I'm not the quickest to discover new things), its all the terrain the only thing that I have had to be careful with is ama na zako's terrain say all models where as jakuna says enemy so placement is key tried it with a drowned but ama na zako kept killing him, in my other lists I tend to have a good mix where as this has two focal models but with strategies like turf war I think it could really work. please share your thoughts comments on this or on Jack Daw
  14. Apologies because I know this has been discussed before, but I don't know whether a final consensus was ever reached - I've seen contradictory posts about how this works recently on A Wyrd Place. The question is, whether the trigger Remember Injustice on Jack's Noose attack can benefit from extra damage due to Firing Squad Injustice and The Bigger They Are. Lets take Firing Squad Injustice first. It says "When this model suffers damage from an attack action, it suffers +1 damage". Because Remember Injustice is part of the initial Noose attack action, it seems that this damage source should also benefit from +1 damage due to Firing Squad. But then I've also seen it argued that the overall Noose attack action can only receive +1 damage in total. So if you have applied this +1 to the original hit, you can't apply it again to the trigger damage. However, that interpretation seems counter intuitive to me. The Bigger They Are is worded slightly differently: "This models close attack actions that deal damage +1 damage to non-Masters with an upgrade attached". Again, Remember Injustice is considered part of a close attack action, so on face value you would expect the +1 to apply again. But I've seen the same counter argument outlined above applied here as well. So can we resolve this once and for all? Exactly how much damage should Remember Injustice do to a model with Firing Squad Injustice, if Jack has Bigger They Are?? NOTE: posted this here rather than in rules forum, to gain more exposure to those in the know (Outcast players).
  15. Minnesota wargamer Alex Vien/TheGreatSerpent has written up yet another awesome battle report with his favorite Outcast, Parker Barrows. This time, it is vs a familiar foe, Jack Daw of the Outcasts. Alex is preparing for the Renegade Open and has been experimenting with the idea of having an 'All-Comers' Parker Barrows list that he can drop into any matchup. In this battle report he continues to test out that experiment and gives a turn by turn re-telling of his game. If you enjoy his batrep or have thoughts, leave a comment for him. http://midwestwargaming.com/battle-report-parker-barrows-outcasts-v-jack-daw-outcasts-malifaux/ Here's the lists: 50 soulstone Outcasts Crew: Parker Barrows + 6 SS Cache -Highwayman -Stick Up -Hail of Bullets Doc Mitchell Bandido Bandido Ronin Freikorps Trapper Sue -Oathkeeper Mad Dog Brackett -Crate of Dynamite -Lucky Poncho VS David’s crew: 50 soulstone Outcasts Crew Jack Daw + 4 SS cache -3 facedown curses -Twist and Turn -Betrayer Convict Gunslinger Lady Ligeia The Guilty The Guilty The Guilty The Hanged Montresor -Brick by Brick -Fearful Whispers
  16. Really feeling Jack Daw as being my next main master and was just wondering what areas of focus Jack can present. After pouring over his rules and that of other tormented I see the he has the utility to go for a terror build, movement and repositioning focus or possibly a denial type of play - I was really wondering a few things... - Is it wise to take all three of his curses, leaving only 2 slots for his other upgrades? - what seems to be the best approach to using jack; or what would you consider a beginner approach to Jacking it with opponents. - The C7, Nurses and Drowned seem obvious but what Tormented would be best for jack to pull from other factions? Any feedback would be welcome
  17. Hey Guys! After starting Malifaux this year (with some Guild Masters). I'm finally addicted to Neverborn and Outcasts (Dreamer, Pandora, Jack Daw and the Vik's) I started my paintjob with some of my favourite miniatures. I hope you like the work. Teddy and Baby Kade Jack Daw
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