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Hello! I brought out my ten thunders for Me2. I usually play ressers but have dabble in Thunders in Me1.5 and beta. My great fondness for Miasaki and her flexibility in taking on various schemes are what drives my hand in picking Thunders! The 50SS list is pretty much her box sett, 1 ten thunders archers and Yamaziko. This is the point were things go south for me. I feel that my 3 Torokage an Ottoto never really do any thing( particulary Ottoto) . They are usually the victim of spells our lead poisoning around turn 3, in 4 games the 3 torokage have killed: 1 mechanical pigeon, 1 ronin. Ottoto have killed a ronin. The Torokage have saved me a game by dropping a lot of scheme markers for a line in the sand game 3, even though any non peon would do the trick. I try playing them as some sort of flank killer is that a tactic which they are not suited for?The Torokages stats makes them excellent killers on paper but I feel they lack any movement ability to make them actual ninjas instead of well trained goons in pjs. Pleas do any of you fine gentlemen have a good suggestion for the use of Torokage and Ottoto in a Miasaki list?