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No, he doesn't mind changing his list, he just doesn't want to change his Master, he does the same thing in every game, he always takes a long time to pick his faction/army, but when he make up his mind, he sticks to that faction/army forever

Ok, so basically she is not bad, but she is overpriced. Like Graves apparently. Maybe Lynch crew needs just a few tweak on their cost, and they could play only under their Keyword? Would make my friend really happy 😆 Anyway, yes I agree with both of you, that is why he is going to buy only the Honeypot keyword boxes for now, and if in the long term he wants to add some ten thunders versatiles, he will convert them to fit Lynch's aesthetic, he is a very good modelist and sculptor. He already has some ideas to convert the dawn serpent easily for example.

Her card looks really good indeed. And my friend loves her gameplay about gambling, playing with cards, etc...Maybe people don't like her because of her price (9)? Or because she is a bit fragile?

@Maniacal_cackle : Alright, he is going to buy the 2 Lynches boxes + "Dark Dealings" and "Friendly Faces", and start from there. Why people hate Gwyneth though?

@Adran : What you say about getting one list and do everything with it is really interesting for my friend, as he will stick with Lynch 1 and 2 only in tournaments. @Maniacal_cackle : That is a shame about Graves, as my friend really like the model...Why is he not liked exactly? He is tanky and hit hard. Too expensive for what he does? Ideally, this is what he would want to play VISUALLY : Lynch 1 or 2 Hungering Darkness Tannen Graves Kitty Beckoner Illuminated with silent protector Illuminated Now, if Graves is not mandatory, he would replace him with another illuminated, or a kunoichi, or a dawn serpent like @regleant suggested. Is it a well rounded list for both Lynches? If not, what kind of well rounded list would you suggest for Lynch 1 and 2, so my friends can stick with them (he is open to some versatiles and OOKS if he has too, but would really prefer staying in his keyword as much as he can)

Hey guys, thanks for all your answers, I won't reply to you one by one as you all said a lot of things, but my "Magic" friend has finally made his mind up, and he is going to stick with the minis he loves the most, so Jakob Lynch 1 and 2 crew, and he is going to try to get the best out of them. He would like to find a well rounded list for them now, with 1 or 2 versatile/OOK maximum, so I am going to ask questions in the 10 thunders sub-forum. Thanks everyone for all the help you provided !

@muraki : Yeah that feeling when you spend 1 month to choose your army in a new game 😅 He doesn't really want to use proxies, as he likes things being clear on the table, plus, to jump on your question, we are planning to go in tournaments as soon as we can, that is why we are already looking for advices to buy the good things before jumping in, as we don't have illimited amount of money unfortunately. We want to avoid buying boxes for nothing. I may change my Pandora and let him pick Dreamer if my friend doesn't find anything, I am less "difficult" than him and can switch to Ressers, as I like most of the casters in that faction. @dannydb : Yes Arcanists fits his favourite gameplay, the problems are the minis, I noticed that in this game, the minis have so much identity and personality that either you love them or you hate them. That is his case in Arcanists. He only likes Raspy and Kaeris in that faction. Kaeris is still in his options, but not as high as the Dreamer. I think he needs to think for a few days, he spent so much time looking at the minis, reading all of you and looking at videos that he is going to have a burn out of Malifaux before even starting the game 😄

@Corn : Thanks for the advices about the tournaments, so in the end Lynch is dropped as he really doesn't lke the aesthetics of all the other ten thunders stuff. @Azahul : Thanks for the Hamelin breakdown, so Hamelin is out too, because he mostly wanted to play Hamelin 2 (he loves the mini), so if he can't play "full rats" and has to add too many OOK and versatile, that is a no-no for him. @Adran : I am glad to hear that skill is that important in the game, that is rare nowadays in miniature game. That makes us want to play even more. So now my friend is left with the Dreamer but...I play Pandora, so we have a problem as we didn't want to share the same faction...He is going to look at everything again, for the 100th time now 😅 (I advised him to look at ressers again, as they have lots of summoners).

Yeah, the problem of my friend is that he doesn't like at all the asian theme in ten thunders...but he loves the theme of Lynch, who was apaprently in Neverborn before. Plus, people here told me to pick a faction over a Master, as we will definitely need more than one Master in the long term etc...so I guess that ten thunders will be a no-no for my friend despite his love for Lynch Thanks for the advices !

Nice, thanks, so it is totally playable with only one versatile, that will please my friend.

@Corn Thanks for the informations about tournaments, and I really like what you said in your last paragraph, and I totally agree with this. The problem with my "magic" friend is that he had a huuuuge blast on the Lynch models aesthetic but not at all with all the other Masters in Ten thunders (except maybe Mccabe)...hence why this is a shame (for him) that Lynch is not in Neverborn anymore, as he likes the aesthetics of their versatiles . I wish for my friend that Lynch would be double faction, like Mccabe and co, but anyway. So that leads me to a question : As Lynch as a 2d version, do you think my friend can still do something and not finish last in every tournament with only Lynch 1 and 2?

Hello, thank you for your answer! As my friend is still hesitating on which Master to play, i am going to ask you a few more questions if you don't mind : - Why are you not playing Graves and Tannen? - Which versatiles do you think are absolutely necessary to make Lynch work? I just realised that besides Kunoichi, you didn't really mention any "auto-include" versatile or OOK for Lynch, because my friend just told me that one Kunoichi will be ok in the crew, he just doesn't want to put too many versatiles and/or OOK in his crew, but one or maybe 2 at worst is ok though. So I will ask you the same question than @regleant : Which versatiles do you think are absolutely necessary to make Lynch work? EDIT : Here is an example of what my friend would like to play : 3 Soulstone left Lynch 1 or 2 Hungering Darkness Tannen Graves Kitty Illuminated 1 or Kunoichi Illuminated 2 Beckoner 1 Beckoner 2 Could it work generally speaking?

@Corn Thanks for the explanation about Lynch. Noted for Hamelin, now he likes complicated gameplay, so that doesn't fear him Yes, we have checked all those videos aleady Visually speaking, he really prefers the Dreamer over Leveticus or Jack Daw, and same for my other friend, he doesn't really like the aesthetic of Perdita or Basse, thanks for the ideas though ! @Adran Shame that Lynch didn't stay in Neverborn, as their versatile fits way more the aesthetics of his crew Ok so no matter what, versatiles or OOK models will be there if you're looking for top competitive, noted ! About the rat list, my friend wanted to play all the minis that are in the "Hamelin core box", "Brotherhood of the rat", "Tainted filth" and "They all fall down" but that is it. Now, he would need to know more about the possible other models that he should have, because just putting a rat on a base could easily give that mini a rat theme if it doesn't already have a strong theme like the ten thunders for example. So outside of the boxes I just mentioned, what would a Hamelin 1 or 2 need? Very good for Cooper, so my Gunner friend has found his faction, thank you ! About the tournaments, yes, when i said "when we feel ready", I meant when we will know the rules and our factions well enough to finish a game on time. So now, only my magic friend is hesitating, it will depend on the models Hamelin 1 and 2 would need in his band. If they don't have already a strong theme, he will just put a rat model on their base and that is it. Otherwise, he will play the Dreamer.

@Maniacal_cackle : Well yes of course, that said, it could give a first idea about what should pick a beginner or not. I am sure that any good player can win a tournament with any Masters, but as it will be my friend's first masters, maybe choosing a Master that is at least "good" would be better for them I am going to ask more informations about Hamelin and Cooper in the Faction forums, and we will be (hopefuly and finally) there for my friends 😅 @Adran : You're right, I should have been more specific about what I was talking about when I said "competitive". We all come from other games (skirmish and big armies ones), and we all played competitively, and by that I mean we did lots of tournaments in our country. So, no, it will not just be games between the 3 of us, we plan to go in tournaments as soon as we think we are ready for it, hence all the questions I ask That said, we also love painting minis and visually have a strong theme on the board, basically we are tryng to find a compromise between a crew that is visually appealing to our eyes but also stay competitive. Thats is why I asked about Jacob Lynch, as we wonder why he is in the ten thunders in the first place when visually he should be in the neverborn, but I am sure there is a lore reason for that (we didn't get into the lore yet). Now, for my magic friend, as soon as he knows that he can go in tournaments with a full rat theme with hamelin, he will pick him, otherwise he will pick the Dreamer. For my gunner friend, as soon as he knows that he can go in tournaments without the malosaurus rex with Cooper, he will pick him, otherwise he will pick Dashel 2.

@Maniacal_cackle : Thanks for all the informations ! About my "Magic-summon" friend, You replied to me about Lynch in the other thread, so Lynch is out unfortunately, which is a shame because he was his favourite visually, but having to add some asian theme minis in his victorian english theme is a big no-no for him. Dreamer was one of his main pick , but the problem is, I play Neverborn with Pandora myself, and we wanted to avoid playing the same faction if possible. But now that Lynch is out, Dreamer makes a come back. As for Zoraida, he is not a super fan of the model range, so that is not really an option for him, but thanks anyway As for my "Gunner" friend, he heard very bad things about Parker 1 and 2 in general, they seem to struggle a lot, and even if he likes the models, he doesn't want to play something that will struggle in most of scenarios. Hamelin is not his thing, but could be for my "Magic-summon" friend. He also discovered by reading the cards that Cooper can shoot the runaways, who themselves can escape or call for help and trigger free shots from Cooper, which he found hilarious, so he is his main pick right now. @dannydb : Thanks for that, and yes both Arcane emisary and the mech rider are ok for him, as he can paint flames on them So here we are now : - Magic friend, by order of preference : 1. Hamelin 2 (he needs to know a bit more about him, he knows that he spread plague and that he can summon rats but that is it). Also, like with Lynch, he wants to know if he can keep the "full rat minis" theme (so basically all of hamelin and rats boxes + Benny) 2. Dreamer (even if that means that we will both play Neverborn) 3. Kaeris - Gunner friend : 1. Cooper as long as he doesn't have to play Malosaurus Rex to stay competitive. If he doesn't have to, he will go Cooper 100% 2. Dashel 2 if COoper needs the Malosaurus Rex