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Not a popular choice, but I use Von Schill as a second master, because gun and run with rocket launchers or grenades are excelent, and bandidos with rocket boots, if they start with fast (using a scheme marker) can jump walk/charge walk and walk again or or put a scheme marker. And Von Schill with range 14 and throwing models away, or disengaging yours is solid. Its a real expensive in SS though

poor lazarus

Life of Crime + Rocket Boots = awesome. Paper thin awesome, but awesome bandidos

yeah only minions = it sucks non-master = it doesn't suck

+ "or freikorp" +1 to the non-master non-beast only. He should be able to load up enforcers.

And Joss, OMG I hate that guy, big time

Parker crew was a real joy to play, I didn't expect that you can throw me Joss in the face turn 1 and pin down all my right group and parker himself. So, that part was a good test for the crew survivability, and they survived better than I expected. Mad dog giving injured played well with stick up from parker. Sadly I couldn't use the shotgun because he was engaged almost all game. Doc saved him (and later was used as an human shield for mad dog to retreat). What surprise me was that Parker survive a lot thanks to the 14 hp. He ended up surrounded by almost all enemy crew, and in that situation he scored a point and almost denied a point for hoffman. So even in the defense and without being able to use his mobility he was useful. Bandidos are ridiculously mobile. They can "save" an AP for next turn placing a scheme marker to gain fast next turn. So it is a good way to place them in cover with 1 walk or charge, and then walk twice next turn and scheme, or charge, or whatever, o even shoot 3 times if needed. Being able to have that choice is really nice and played well with the "bandido" theme. On the same note, I think Von Schill is a very good 2nd master in this crew. The bandidos being able to charge with rocket launchers or grenades, or use trigger finger with that upgrades, are good. But the better part is the 3 walk actions from before + rocket boots. 1 Bandido jumped + walked almost from the deployment zone to the center, placed a bomb and then walk almost inside of hoffman's deployment zone in just 1 activation. For breakthrough and any strategy or scheme that require placement, it just awesome. So Von Schill can give a lot of support to this crew specially with Run and Gun. I never played Parker with M2E rules, but he was hard to play for what I understand. With M3E he seems much more enjoyable, easy to understand, and versatile enough to change plans midfly or adapt to the circunstances. The Melee-train that @Franchute threw at my face took me totaly by surprise an even then full on the defense he performed well. Now we need to test him with the new upgrade, but it's a really fun crew to play, and I loved the bandido-Von Schill team.

"Bandidos" don't have gunfighter, they use the knife on Melee, so you can't rocket launcher an enemy at point blank. I played parker with VS on the list today, but they can charge using the rocket launcher or the grenade belt. And boy... the mental image of those bandidos running while sending rockets... priceless

Freikorps = Attrition, 100%. They can hold their ground and withstand the enemy over time., or hold ground and spam rocket lauchers, grenades and rifles putting pressure. Viks can put a lot of pressure, but can't withstand a sustained attack if the enemy crew survive the first iteration. They are a sort of assassin crew IMO.

I undertand your point... but no, thanks you. Malifaux is what it is thanks to the flips, that's the soul of the game, the gamble with the cards, the attack and defense flips are "fun" because you are gambling a cheated damage flip or not, gambling on how many cards the enemy can throw at you and your odds. That's the core of the game IMHO. Remove that, and malifaux became just meh in the mechanics

He is talking about the mechanic, not if is good or efficient or whatever. The loop exist, it can be done, so it must be fixed.

if their only reliable job is shoot, I think 4SS is good in-theme with the viks. At 5SS outside the theme they may not be worth it. Any battle reports showing that they are broken?

yeah, 30mm is easy to move and hide behind your models

if something is not broken, don´t fix it

As mentioned before, play a match with VS, check if he is really lacking, and with the report, made the point. Here we are just theorizing with data but no proof, it seems useless to me IMO.