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The single greatest update of the year - Thanks Wyrd! ❤️

Silly question, but when can we expect these to be released? They won't be part of the GG, but will they be released at the same time?

What does the "Ignoring any special restrictions" clause on Sir Vantes include? Does it mean you get a "free charge", without having to use an action on it? Can you use it to move out of melee engagement and so forth?

Hello,

Couldn't find anything on this already, but my app is still showing the old Illuminated models, and not the new ones.

That is, without a doubt, the single coolest Nightmare crew in the game. Good lord that is epic 😮

On 6/29/2023 at 5:59 PM, Hobby Wyrd said:

That’s all for today! If you liked this Errata deep-dive, let us know. Maybe next time we can share our thoughts about the value of a good hat...

7 hours ago, Thatguy said:

I'm not sure what their options are other than a big Shojo redesign. 

I really think they should consider it. It isn’t fun to play with-or-against. Some people were defending it on Discord, but I don’t think it’s good for the game.

I don’t mind the nerfs to Ophelia or Brewie, but I’m so bummed out that they didn’t do anything to push up Somer (1 and/or 2). I get that this errata was focused on bringing down big hitters, but I’m devastated by the fact that we might need to wait 8+ months to see Big Hat on a competitive board.

On 10/1/2022 at 9:15 AM, Rufess said:

The card draw of Use ‘Em as Bait is very depends on you local meta ruling, but to my understanding it only draws when an enemy ends a move into the Tide marker or when a Tide marker is pushed into an enemy. So it is about 1~2 cards a turn based on the current revealed model.

But it doesn't say Move. It says "Comes into contact" - From my point of view (and limited English knowledge) that means if the enemy makes any sort of contact with a Tide marker, regardless of the action that put them together, you get to draw a card.

17 hours ago, Math Mathonwy said:

Danger Planet will be showing off the Clampetts this week!

Their channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC40aJZp2_pVo230mQyC42PQ/videos

Damn, was hopin' for a countdown

Damn.

I was really hopin' someone would disagree with me, and come with a counter argument 😅

On 8/24/2022 at 11:38 AM, Math Mathonwy said:

I think it would be kinda elegant to require discarding a card for each Bayou Gremlin summoned since then you kinda "deposit" the card into their demise. Unfortunately the keyword has too much discarding as is for this to work currently but it would've been really neat.

But the idea of a Trigger summoning extra Bayou Gremlins sounds really good to me!

I very much agree with this one. There is far too many discarding-actions in the keyword to begin with.

I've had games with Loot Monger, where my starting hand was 4 severe cards and 2 moderates. And it was miserable since I couldn't summon anything now. Which feels really silly.

Also:

On 8/24/2022 at 8:36 PM, grundil said:

And i like to play both Som'er even if they are weak for only one reason : white rabbit co. Without this model, the keyword would be so much more trash.

I get what you mean, but I just don’t see the fun in playing a crew built around a single model.

A friend of mine linked me the between The Danger Planet and the Malifaux Development Team – It is available on youtube, and I highly recommend giving it a listen. Really cool people having a nice chat. It did make me a bit worried about any future revisits to Som’er 1, however. 

Now, English isn’t my first language, so I fully accept that there might be some misinterpretation going on. I got the impression that they would like to avoid continuously revisiting the same model and changing it over-and-over. Som’er1 has been reviewed twice now, and the quote “You got to get it right the 2nd time” makes me doubt they’ll give him a 3rd glance. They mentioned how multiple revisits to specific models is especially worrying for them, due to the community having different versions of the same model. I am personally not that worried about multiple versions existing in a play area, since it has been my experience that people stay very up to date on models that have been errata’ed.

They also mentioned how to want to have the game be enjoyable, and fun to play (with and against). Doesn’t necessarily mean it needs to be top tier. To me, this translates to “If it is fun, and enjoyable to play against, then we will most likely leave it at that”. Which also worries me, since Som’er1 hasn’t had his playstyle changed. He still summons, shoots, and bloats the board with semi-flexible models – He just does it so much worse than before.

So, we have a model (keyword?) being revisited multiple times, and hasn’t changed its playstyle on any fundamental level – So why should they go back to it now?

Again, please watch the video to form your own opinion before taking mine at face value. 
 

38 minutes ago, grundil said:

Too many abilities in big hat keyword need to discard card, i think something must change about this.

Agreed 100% - Especially with Loot Monger. Bayou Gremlins are so important for the crew, but they really don't feel worth it.

3 hours ago, Math Mathonwy said:

Tldr: Somer kinda sucks after the nerfs and summoning changes. What would you do to make him better?

Cheers for opening up the thread, and putting emphasis on Ol' Somer. I really feel like he was left in the dust when Malifaux Burns came out. He is nothing compared to some of the keywords out there right now.

Totally support your thoughts on his crew, and personally don't think we need to see any changes to anything other than Banjonistas. With Somer however, I don't see him becoming viable unless they do a large set of changes. Truth be told, I'd much rather see them revert him to his original M3E form (maybe not One for the team).

I feel like Wyrd has made it very clear that Stategies (and to a certain degree, Schemes) in future GGs will continue to exclude summoned models. I really like this, but also think that this invalidates the old arguments against Somer in GG1.

And not to dilute this thread, but I really think his Loot Monger-title needs a semi-rework aswell. Any changes to the crew would affect both Masters, but I'd much rather see them focus on the Masters themselves.

13 hours ago, Ja9nge said:

I think Big hat could do OK in this strat. Despite the summoner nerfs, bayou gremlins still have insignificant, so I assume they cant have any curse markers on them once they are summoned.

I can’t see them being above “OK” on the strat. Hope I’m wrong though!
 

I look forward to seeing how the new GG will shake up the keywords, and hopefully push some of the lesser played models into the spotlight

Does the All-Terrain Abillty allow the model to leave engagement? 

The ", and ignores models and vertical distance while moving." part got us confused.

The Rock Hopper has an  called Salvage Site. This action states that it reduces damage from effects other than Attack Actions and Hazardous Terrain. How does this interact with abillities such as Immolate, Blood Poisoning, Bleeding Disease and so forth. They are attack actions, so they should bypas reduction from Salvage Site, right? Even if the action states that the damage comes from other sources (such as Tokens, Poison and Burning)

Toss Two Gremlins in a Ghillie Suit on this dude, and you have one of the most annoying models to pin Down. Helps with the damage output too

5 hours ago, Kyle said:

Which is why we’re taking a look at an upcoming Minion that will be coming out in the next Malifaux expansion: the Dabbler!

M4E confirmed? 😀

2 hours ago, Math Mathonwy said:

 I mean, it looks like the playstyle would be the same but with more hoops to jump through and even less killing power? And everything dies super easy? Maybe I'm missing something.

Gotta agree with this - Cool idea, but feels like you’re twisting the crew into an unintended gimmick, which doesn’t use the original intent of the keyword. 
 

But then again, I’m happy to see Som’er getting some action 

2 minutes ago, Adran said:

How would that stop the master hiring lots of ook? And most people don't pay the master cost. ( I don't think the issue discussed is hiring second masters, it a master hiring no/few keyword models in their crew). 

Ah, sorry. I misunderstood - Thought the subject that turned around, and focused on that part. My bad 😅

54 minutes ago, Shakyor said:

If not the most elegant solution would be a new master ability like "Distrustful" or "Bad Reputation" which makes hiring OOK more difficult for these specific masters. Could even be different ways. For example Seamus gets "Bad Reputation" - +1 SS for OOK hiring. Colette gets "The wrong kind of attention" - All OOK Models start with +1 Distracted.

Couldn't you just increase the cost of the master? It would save some space on the card.

Misread the comment. My bad guys.

4 hours ago, Omenbringer said:

And while I concede that Som'er can sometimes dominate a local meta, once they learn to peel the onion it is much less so. I know none of the metas I have played in has ever struggled to counter him.

3 hours ago, ShinChan said:

I agree. Som'er wasn't dominating anything. Damn, Bayou wasn't even getting to podium in consistently in big events and definitely Som'er was hit too hard. Most of the Bayou players are not even finding reasons to field him anymore from a competitive perspective.

100% agreed on both accounts. My personal theory is that a few vocal podcasters swayed the public opinion, and things just got out of hand. That, or I've just been looking at the wrong tournament results.

I'm happy about this errata, and agree with basically everything done to Bayou (and several of the other factions). But man.. I would have loved to see Ol' Somer get a return.

12 hours ago, ShinChan said:

In the meantime, half of the keyword remains between mediocre to unplayable:

• Backup Assistant (now probably, the worst model in the game after the buff to the Molemen)

I agree with everything you've said, but I'm gonna have to challenge you on this one. Backup Assistant can be such a huge boon with the crew, and I've only had good experiences with him. That being said, he isn't a obligatory pick (which I like).

Did anything in the FAQ change anything for Bayou? Can't spot anything major.

Swine Cursed can be major killers now - Toss a Mask on it with Old Major, and you have a model that can do 6 potential attacks with + on damage flips. Requires some setup, but I can see it work.

Also

42 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

Lol I was half expecting Somer to get hit with something again, out of spite. 

Same here 😂

6 minutes ago, Adran said:

From an overall community playing effect, nails that stick up are much more trouble than nails that are too deep, because its my choice to use or not use the too deep nails, its my opponents choice to use the sticking up nails. And so I am likely to face the sticking up nail more than the too deep nail. It isn't helped by the number of choices in the game. If a model is too bad to play, then it just doesn't get picked. You can probably still play its keyword perfectly well with the other options, so its bad just affects the owners of that model. 

You really nailed it with this part.

I'll see myself out

A lot of the statements in this thread seems to be based on anecdotal evidence. Not trying to discredit people and their opinions, but think it is worth mentioning.

Could be interesting to set up a poll on stuff like this.