Broken Clock

Still nothing, sadly. Using the new masters requires nothing beyond using the new card, right? There are no rule changes or expansion rules in the expansion book are there? I thought it was all fluff. 

Does anyone take the building size limit of 6 inches seriously? I have a load of buildings and many of them are over that size. Six inches wide on any side is really small for a building.

4 minutes ago, Maniacal_cackle said:

Just to clarify, Seamus' gang actually IS a bunch of enslaved sex workers I believe. He murders them and turns them into enslaved undead if I'm not mistaken.

It's true and Seamus is the ultimate pimp daddy for it; however, I was just speaking to a more broader criticism I see pop up in the games I love that I'm finding a little tiresome these days. I play with a couple of my friends, my wife, and her friend and her friend exclusively plays with her "zombie whore" crew (her words) and she loves it.

Oops, forgot to add that I agree with the Dreamer. I loved the idea of an innocent little boy summoning giant monsters!

I'm not entirely comfortable with how some people have decided to associate women dressed with sex-appeal in mind as "prostitutes". Malifaux has plenty of women in the game who are not sexy. Perhaps let's not wag our finger at the tiny few that are. I find it's upsetting that some companies are actually listening to these complaints, when it's obvious they are held by what is likely a small segment of the community. I for one enjoy the sexy sculpts, as does my wife who both plays and paints with me. It's actually part of the thing that drew me to the game, since I loved the over-top stylization of EVERYTHING Malifaux does (including sex . . . sorry Footloose pastor).  I'll let her know that what she chooses to dress up for for friendly Halloween parties and what she likes to play with when gaming is considered by some as "prostitutes".  

Do you attach the front rag directly to the legs and does the rag go directly behind the belt in that small groove? 

I'm having a hell of a time assembling one of the skullywags. It's the one with the swords crossed over his chest. I have the entire upper-half assembled, it's the bottom half that confuses me. His pelvis and and front rag don't seem to fit in that groove under his torso, under the belt! An assembly guide would have been amazing. Help!

I'm having a hell of a time assembling one of the skullywags. It's the one with the swords crossed over his chest. I have the entire upper-half assembled, it's the bottom half that confuses me. His pelvis and and front rag don't seem to fit in that groove under his torso, under the belt! An assembly guide would have been amazing. Help!

"we also cut down on the excess of Actions, Abilities, and Triggers to make sure the focus is on the fun and not on the memorization."

So they've reduced the amount of choices I make? That's not fun. I like making choices in a miniature game. I like triggers.

On 8/7/2017 at 4:27 PM, retnab said:

As has been brought up multiple times in this thread, there's no forcing happening here, and there are already canonically gay characters (and at least one Master), so...

No need for intellectual dishonesty. You know very well that he's not suggesting people are putting a gun to a developers head and "forcing" them. He's suggesting people are attempting to cohere designers to do something that they may not want to do for the purpose of pleasing a select few. The squeaky wheel gets the grease.  Some are just here to point out that the wheel doesn't need greasing.

On 8/7/2017 at 9:44 AM, Da Git said:

Wow, that actually sounds ridiculously cool!  I'd love it if they did that in the movie series... highly doubt it though!

Thanks!

. . . very cool

I'm still new to this game. What is in this book? Are the rules all new or something? Will they be available online? Is my regular manual outdated now?

19 hours ago, Math Mathonwy said:

So you're saying that people are free to want whatever as long as what they want isn't more diversity? I'm quite honestly having difficulty following you here.

I understood that. It doesn't seem to have any bearing on the above, though.

I didn't say people can't want more diversity. If I did, by all means, quote the passage that states that idea. You're not engaging with the strongest form of my argument. You're strawmanning.

My reference to homosexual characters within popular culture that were likely produced on the foundation of "let's make a gay!" is indeed relevant to my previous points. Again, I would ask that you engage with me honestly or not at all. Thank you.

On 7/13/2017 at 2:51 PM, Math Mathonwy said:

So you consider all fan opinions of character traits as horrid? No one is allowed to voice any preferences of critiques because an artist might take heed?

I can't name one boring LGBT miniatures game character. Meaning one I would consider more boring than average, that is. Maybe you can?

I did not say anything about fan opinions of character traits are horrid. That's not the question that was asked. I did not say preferences could not be discussed. Please engage with me honestly.

I was broadening the discussion to cultural artifacts that extend beyond miniatures. I'd apologize for not making that clearer, but I think you know that's what I was doing.

20 hours ago, Ludvig said:

Havi g lurked for a while Ifigured I might wheigh in. I'm very much with Dogmantra (and other) on this and you put it nicely, too bad I can't find the like function anymore.

I can't see how an LGBT character is bad in any way and I don't see why it would hurt the game. 

Asking for an LGBT character isn't some sort of devious infringement on artistic freedom and I don't get the argument that a character would need to be solely defined by that characteristic and be written shallowly. Kirai is very much defined by her straight relationship to the governor's son and the ramifications of that relationship and I don't see people complaining about her being shallow. 

I don't see the need to defend the writers from this "agenda". Every opinion is more or less an agenda, some are just more mainstream. Labelling something as some sinister "agenda" aimed at limiting free speech seems to purposefully try to counter something through unjust arguments.

Labelling it as an agenda seems dishonest to me. It's one thing to say "I prefer my characters to not have a stated sexual orientation because I don't want sex in my gaming" at which point you are trying to influence the writers in an equal fashion of those asking for LGBT characters. If you are ok with the character of Kirai having a plot to do with love I don't see why ou would automatically assume that a plot based on same-sex love or some internal conflict would hurt the game.

It's a really weird assumption that the whole character needs to be one dimensional simply because one part of it's backstory in some way relates to LGBT issues. To me that seems like an irrational fear can kind of make it look like you are trying to invent reasons to back up your original gut reaction of not wanting gays in your game so I can see how someone would interpret it as anti-LGBT. If it wasn't you might want to revisit the assumption that a character possessing a certain trait must automatically be one-dimensional.

I personally don't think it would hurt the game but I would keep playing either way. I don't really identify with any of the characters so far but I'm not bothered by that since I don't feel sidelined by society.

Why is it bad to ask artists to jam politically motivated requests into a miniatures game?

1) Maybe I don't like the idea of someone sitting down and thinking to themselves: "man, this game needs more gays! I'm going to make a gay character!".Do you know that feeling you get when you see a stock photo? That perfectly orchestrated mix of genders and races that in no way looks natural? Makes you cringe a little, doesn't it? Well it makes me sick to my stomach because I know a person was behind that photo saying "We need more blacks in our photo. Get me a black!". There is something insidiously racist with fulfilling racial quotas. 

2) A character's sexuality is not really the best launching point for character development of a miniature. Face it, more often than not characters created from this foundation are typically boring and borderline ridiculous, since the genitals they love (something that doesn't matter at all) becomes the focal point of their character. Often times the creator will avoid giving the character flaws or making the character villainous, for fear of insulting people. You end up with a whole mess of constraints, all for the purpose of establishing a character on one of the weakest and most unimportant characteristics imaginable.

An agenda doesn't necessarily have to be sinister. Make no mistake, the frequent occurrence of homosexual characters across every artistic medium is indeed an agenda. Nobody can deny the fact that there are likely far more homosexual characters in movies and television than there are in reality (in relation to their corresponding percentage within the general population). As a minority, I find agendas like these deeply racist/sexist/homophobic because inherent in the request for diversity is the belief that individuals like myself are in dire need of representation, as if I'm so weak and simple that I need a fictitious character to attach myself to or that the primary thing I find important about myself is my sexuality/race. Listen, I'm far more attached to a character who believes in honor and a strong family than I am in a character that likes dick. Those attributes represent me much better.

I think you're attempting to "invent reasons to back up your original gut reaction of" wanting to be inclusive. Homosexuals are not sidelined by society. Homosexuality is very prevalent in popular culture and denying that fact seems very strange.

But, whatever, social justice seems to have permeated into the artifacts I love. Shame. 

Yes, let us jam homosexuality into Malifaux. "Progressiveness" has worked wonders for Marvel! Their sales are record breaking! 

I'm sorry, but the sexuality of a character largely isn't important, both in terms of mechanics and lore. If your primary attribute that you feel makes you interesting is what genitals you're attracted to, you're a boring person. The VAST majority of characters in this game do not have any indication of their sexuality. Homosexuals make up 4 percent (if not less) of the population. How many models actually have lore that give a clear indication that their exclusively heterosexual? Five? Six? Adding explicitly gay characters would result in an over-representation and for what? I hear about how inclusiveness is somehow good but the arguments largely rests on moral platitudes and virtue signaling. I don't give a crap if my gender or race or age is represented in a bloody miniatures game. It's meaningless. And, to be perfectly honest, when a white person demands my race be represented in a given cultural artifact I find it insidiously racist.

You're free to make whatever character you want gay for whatever reason. Pretend Big Jake is gay. He's got sex appeal and he's native! Very progressive!

I gave up on creating unison on my Ten Thunders completely and I'm happy about it. I simply read the lore for each figure and create a base that best fits that figure and the tone for that character.

Obsidian Oni come from some sort of fire area and so they get a lava base

Misaki's crew are all near a riverbed

Jorogumo are in a dark forest covered in webs and spider eggs

Snipers are in some hills surrounded by dense forest

The Lone Samurai stands in a snow and arrow covered battlefield with flecks of cherry blossom scatter (beauty and war)

Asami and gang are all on a rocky coast

Oiran are inside on traditional japanese flooring 

Nuts to unification. This isn't a sports team! Every base and figure should tell a story.

That's REALLY close to MeepleMart's anniversary! Let's see some Malifaux sales!!!! I'd love to give MeepleMart my entire tax refund!

43 minutes ago, OneKelvin said:

I guess I can see that. Grave Spirits are no joking matter.

But even the native Americans were total jerks when it pleased them. It wouldn't have been so hard to paint them as the bad guys in the Old West if they didn't scalp people and attack settlers - and many loved guns and technology as much as the next guy. The Aztecs in Mexico were so jerkwaddish with their blood sacrifices and flower wars that the other towns and tribes were all to happy to gang up on them as soon as the Spanish gave them an excuse. I mean seriously, just look at the the attacker's role call for the fall of Tenochtitlan: 1000 or so Spanish adventurer-types and 100,000+ angry natives sick of having their cousins and drinking buddies dragged to the top of pyramids for happy-slashy time because "Uh, duuuude, it like totally make the rain come, duuude."

Being native does not necessarily equate to being good.

Now I'm sure the Neverborn have that relative-evil thing going for them with understandable worries about inter-dimensional colonization and ghost issues, but let's look at the masters for a second and I think it might become a little clearer why I think "Scum" is a good and proper term for them. (Well, that and the fact that after playing so much X-wing in a community where "Scum" is a chummy term of honor between happily-adjusted mercs, pirates, and smugglers, the word may have lost a bit of punch for me.")

Lilith - Century-old demon that watched the rise and fall of the old Malifaux. Observed humans for a time, decided she didn't like them (they are kind of jerkish from time to time), now spends every waking hour devising new ways to wipe them off the continent. As a human this mindset is, troubling.

Pandora - "A force of suffering for all Malfaux" this lovely lady was once the thrall of an evil box, and now goes about trying to drive people insane with the contents because it amuses her.

Dreamer and Chompy - Nothing is as innocent or cruel as a child. Remember Calvin and Hobbes? Remember when Calvin was daydreaming that he'd nuke the school or suck the atmosphere off of the planet? It's like that, but Hobbes is a giant demon, Calvin has no sense of humor, and the people being murdered are real. This Christopher Robin wannabe and his slimy, eye-ridden Pooh are evil in the purest sense of the word, killing for nothing but the fun of it.

Collodi - Once a friendly puppet master, now an insane child killer. I defy you to make a case for this one.

Zoraida - A one-time human who plays cards and collects souls for somethingI'msureistotallywholesomeIdunnomaybeshemakesCAKESwiththem. Yeah. Not a good girl. Fun fact*, her real name is Quidproquo.

Lucius - He's the Governor now no? Works for himself, runs the Guild, is he human? I don't know - but if you don't like the Guild then he's evil, and if you don't like the Neverborn then he's evil.

Jakob - Also a fan of the cards, as mentioned before he's stuck between a demon and a Chinaman, and just wants to get rich and get out before something nasty gets him.

Titania - Tinkerbell's angry cousin, killed some things called the Tyrants back in the day, then got locked in a box for a long time. Now is back to lead her army of fae creatures in singing Disney songs, bringing joy to small children, and murdering all of the humans off her lawn.



You may have noticed, but "kill all the humans" is kind of a deal-breaker for me when it comes to evility. 

*The Fun Facts by no mean resemble canon or reality in any way.

"Perdita and her lot are Neverborn-slayers and folk heroes to boot. They're about as good as it seems to get". Yes, good old Perdita! Nothing says goodness like genocide and slavery!

So, "kill all Neverborn" is good and worthy of folk hero status, while "kill all humans" is problematic and evil. Genocide is okay, so long as you don't belong to the group being exterminated? Okay.

What?

I can't even find the damn Dreamer to buy him!

On 3/6/2017 at 5:17 PM, Memnaelar said:

I'd love to see more 3-4p story encounters in Chronicles as those are great on gamedays where we have limited mats and plenty of interest.  I don't even care if they're particularly wonderfully balanced, so long as they're enjoyable.

Previews of upcoming content are always welcome.  I'd also enjoy some designer notes talking about the fluff and maybe giving some hints to caulking in the gaps there, to go along with the always cool additional fluff stories.

So many times THIS! I could get this game played A LOT more if 3-4 player stuff was implemented. 

Wow! That's a lot of stuff! I was crossing my fingers and wishing I could just order them all from that site but I guess if scrap and corpse size are important than the ones that site offers might not be adequate. I too don't write on my cards. I love status tokens and extra game bling! I was okay spending the cash on tokens, since I'm used to ordering dice and tokens for each individual team in Guild Ball. 

I'm new to the game and I'm looking to dive in deep! I know I need counters for this game but I don't know what I need. I have a few tokens from this site: 

http://www.brokenegggames.com/enhancements/elite-gaming-tokens.html?p=2

I use them for Guild Ball. I was wondering what I would need for Malifaux. I'd like to place an order from that site to get the same style of tokens, so I can use them for both games! I just can't seem to find a list of every token I need and how many I need (I'll be buying enough for two players to play). If someone could list off the tokens I should order and how many, that would be great.

They have corpse and scrap tokens. I know I need those in Malifaux. Does the size matter?