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  1. I feel they should remain the same, or replace a bit of mobility with any form of defensive ability.
  2. Bushwhaker are among the worst models you can get for their cost. In the entire game.
  3. Hi Folks, so this saturday I played against the new pandora in a tournament and I (a pandora player myself) was excited to see the new applications of her attack action wording. It was the first time I played against this version and after the tournament I checked the posibilities to combine this within the faction. I'm not entirely sure about the RAW of this but if what I found is correct, it needs to be fixed, I guess. The cost of an action is printed in italics and the effect of an action is printed in normal style. So the rules differentiate between effect and cost. This allows pandora to trigger effects of actions on their own model, even if the cost would prevent the normal use of this kind. Because there is no cost at pandoras action when it is declared and only the effect is replaced. This leads to the following; Pandora attacks zoraida (friendly), zoraida relents. Pandora applies the effects of obey to zoraida, ignoring the italics restrictions and costs because it only applies the effects. (with a mask, she double obeys zoraida, because she applies the effects of triggers aswell and mask is the suit needed for ensorcel) (ensorcel is limited to once per activation, which means that of of the 2 ap self loathing generates for zoraida, zoraida can declare 1 ensorcel trigger aswel, because once per activation counts once for each model in each activation (pandoras activation)) So this means, pandora can generate 2 (ensorcel) + 1 +1 bonus ap for zoraida with no cost (tn) involved within her (pandoras) 3 ap. Zoraida can then trigger ensorcel in pandoras activation to make it basicly 5 bonus ap, kinda, and can declare ensorcel in her activation aswell. And yes, then there is candy with the same wording except the trigger application, so 2 more ap for zoraida. Im posting this, because I think its not working like it should. Pls dont use this post to start a nerf pandora and nerf zoraida argument. This threat is by far not about power level. Both masters are fine the way they work normally, just this interaction isnt intented I think. Changing the wording a little bit should fix the issue. By the way, applying effects of other models to themselves is a really nice interesting concept and makes pandora super fun to play IF the hardcore abuse cases are fixed. I really enjoy the new concept, just wanted to point out that little case of abuse. Correct me if my understanding of the RAW of cost and effect is wrong and we can delete this threat to stop confusion. PS: There might be issues with things like playing vs nellie and attaching press upgrades to her, or jackdaws curses, but that could be intended (wich I think could be really fun). pps: the self loathing action applying ensorcel to Zoraida would generate 2 obeys, of wich the Second one couldn’t use ensorcel because there was already generated by a trigger. But the first one and the other 2 self loathings could.
  4. So this weekend my warpig killed a sorrow and a poltergeist about 20" away behind a building in one activation after being moved into position to reach them with reckless, so the poltergeist and sorrow were kinda defensively positioned after they had activated. (Sorrow had 2 dmg already). No lucky flips involved. That were the first 2 kills of the game and I won 6/3. My warpig was totally safe after behind a building at this point and was right back in the action the next turn. I'm im not saying warpigs are op. cause they are not. Pandora killed it in kinda one activation, but srsly Sorrows are not good models. The problem of malifaux m3e: Everything costing you stones that is not reliably doing its job until it dies isnt worth it for competitive play. Better be a summon or safe enough via tankyness or behind hidden in the backline as a support minion or something.
  5. The game has changed. Its a new edition and a totally different game, that makes them fair.
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    Moon Shinobi

    Is being min 4 and ml 8 by poison really that interesting tho?
  7. One of the best henchmen in the game atm. Funny how perspectives can vary from player to player. She would definitly be in my top 5 of all henchmen in m3e.
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    Moon Shinobi

    I'd vote for moon shinobi and bremaster himself getting the good old drunken gremlin kung fu as a unique ability as their main thing. Right now brewie is a beatstick with resource expensive min 4. Drunken Kung Fu would make him really unique. (Instead of drunken strengh and maybe with a poison synergy)
  9. please... a model with 8 wounds and no defense at all... a player who doesnt want to atk it because of grit... Is this the same game we are playing? In my meta I'm trying to keep my armor 2 models alive for a turn so I have a chance to heal them back up. I rly dont know if ur opponents are just playing casual fun themed crews but I'd honestly love to see roosters on the table against me in a tournament. They are glass cannon missiles. A lot of competitive crews bring some sort of anti ranged tech because its one of the easiest ways to lose a lot of models early if u dont. Melee models with no defense for a cost of 7 are super unreliable. And grit is one of the most dangerous abilities to use in a plan and even more if you dont have acess to amina or ironsides. And even more on an 8 wound model without def abilities. They are op if its pure scheming and the opponent braught a non combat full support crew with low mobility. Aka. never.
  10. Excactly. The steam fitter has this written all over him: "Not a competitive choice" One of the last options I would ever consider hiring for his cost. And howard plus the steamfitter is the classic malifaux problem; Do I hire a bad model trying to fix a mediocre model? That are 16 points which could be spend for actually good models that do their job on their own. Ontop of a very synergy reliant bubble crew that is not really flexible itself.
  11. Im not entirly sure but don’t the m3e rules say that bonus dmg is only applied to the target and not to blasts, like it was in m2e?
  12. So u used 2 models for a bomb while earl can basically do it for free. Also how the hell did ur opponent not kill the wrestler and then score power ritual... I think the wrestler performed well, because your opponent didn’t have a good gameplan or was not killing the right models. Wrestlers are easy to remove and therefor always a good first target.
  13. Asami summons something that dies later on. It then counts as dead, and a terra-cotta warrior can transform into it. also the tactical action to remove flicker can be copied.
  14. Sry but +1 def wouldnt fix him really. I like the suggested change to his grit a lot! That’s an innovative streamlined way to combine both of Howard’s themes without spending 6 extra Stones just to bring a support model to fix him. I really like this version of grit. Gives him flexibility with mnsu and makes him mobile in augmented aswell. Great fix.
  15. Currently there is no need to change anything in elite. The crew plays exactly how it is supposed to play. Like a reliable scalpel. other crews have better stats, more wounds, more models, more power, summoning, offensive controll, demise explosions etc. The key of this crew is card controll and ap sharing. It enables powerful scalpell turns and channels all the needed ap and cards into the key model. thats a strength but also a weakness. played Lucius last week and I played my combos pretty well. But my opponent just realized how Lucius works and adapted. You won’t win the „I have a better hand so I win the few key Duells I can reliably force“ war against lucius because that’s his main thing. The same way you won’t win the let’s throw our 3 beatsticks against each other tactic vs Hoffman if u don’t have a very dedicated anti armor crew. my opponent blocked Line of sight to the agent and singled him out pretty effectively. If the ap chain breaks the Lucius crew gets very ineffective compared to when it’s fully operational. the goals against Lucius should be to break his control via breaking the support chain and removing the key model. there are literally tons of ways to play against it and all you got to do is aproach the game with your opponents crew in mind and adapt to their weaknesses and strengths. Sometimes those are a little more abstract and harder to find than the ones of simple crews but that doesn’t mean they are not weaknesses and strengths aswell. its totally normalen that the beta meta has not fully adapted to all of those weaknesses yet because it’s the beta and things have changed so rapidly. Also, a few months in people will know how to beat certain masters that seems unsolvable at first glance. I have absolutly no problem facing lucius, because I have played him so many times and also faced opponents that hit me right at the weaknesses. So I know how to deal with the concept of elite. If we continue to force nerfs to every crew that needs a little time to get used to or to figure out the weaknesses, we will end up with A: extremely simplistic boring crews, or B: a lot of underpowered complex crews. Lucius has a very focused and one sided super reliable resource controll playstyle. And that’s excellent. Break the supply chain or break his scalpell and he will be a bunch of support models who are bad models on their own with a good hand an nobody to use it and a good model separated from the crew and limited to 2 ap that won’t win the game even with 7 severe cards. literally tons of options available to each faction that can break the super synergie reliant Lucius crew. There is more to Malifaux then flipping cards and winning duels. Especially in m3e there th concept of move, atk, scheme has opened up so much. Interrupting the enemy via terrain placement, lure, obey, shockwaves, toss, etc etc... there so many ways to deal with problems and the beta Forums tunnel Vision very hard on the duel and dmg Part of statistical Malifaux. Masters like kaeris and Titania and zipp for example seem pretty one dimensional on paper but once u play against them with an experienced player playing them you will notice that there are so many ways to win a game of Malifaux without relying on cards. the Lucius crew has a really hard time dealing with properly placed pianos btw. For the the above mentioned reason. No 13 or red joker will help you deal with the pianos or other ways to play the game a little more abstract than super basic smash smash duel focused model trading core Malifaux.
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