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It was just one suggestion dude haha I tabled Kirai 2 with Jack Daw 2 last week and I can tell you in that match up it worked a treat. Montressor stopping staggered removal helps for sure but if you have AOE staggered it's still solid I disagree with this. I've played alot of both and I still think OG Kirai is great and definitely has a place. I'd be happy to drain his entire hand in a couple of actions from Jack. Staggered dog being hit by Jack after taking the hit and an execute isn't going to leave any cards left for take the hit for long. Also Jack 2 has enough movement shenanigans to pull Yan out of TTH range. I'd happily run Tormented into it (although I feel they play into different objective sets usually so aren't likely to match up)

Yeah I definitely think Yan 2 has some hard counters and some solid anti tech that will keep him in check as people settle into it I'm hoping someone drops it against my Jack Daw haha

Yeah thats it I'm not really sure it's much of a gap from the other factions aside from Neverborn and possibly Bayou It will be interesting to see how it all levels out, I'm not trying to argue that there aren't nerfs needed by the way, I just have a thing about the broken/op label being thrown around and occasionally pipe up when I see it. I'm sure there will be some resser nerfs as there will be on other factions too and that's completely fine. I'd probably say the best example to me is Colette. Activation control, plus survivability, mobility, debuffs and don't mind me meant she could score and deny with near impunity so regardless of what else happened in that game she could win it single handed

Thats fair, I think it's a mix of both needed. I think the changing of big NPEs doesn't always happen unless you take into account players thoughts over data as an NPE isn't necessarily busted I think they're in a great place as a faction with solid upgrades and great tools for most situations. I think they've landed at the top due to having answers for most situations the game can throw at you rather than a load of busted models. As with all factions there will be some ahead of the curve models but I think Ressers as a faction offer a good player the opportunity to leverage tools in the faction to carve a pathway to success in any scenario. Whereas I agree Neverborn, whilst not necessarily having more "bad" models, do show the opposite to Ressers in having the least flexibility as a faction to tech in for questions the opponents crew might ask. I don't think the resulting power level gap is huge but the ability to win consistently will be in the favour of Ressers based on this Haha I've noticed 😋 I'd be curious if you agree with my assessment above for that. There probably is a few tweaks here and there that will help the perception (probably starting with removing intuition from the whisper) but actually things like, a personal favourite of yours Manos, are great models because of the tools they bring but as a model for it's SS cost isn't busted or broken, it's just a useful tool that can sure up gaps and answer questions. Similar with the ever popular Anna. She asks difficult questions and answers problems your opponent gives you but at 10ss is not an overpowered model for her cost

For me I think its too soon, and I think to a degree Vassal is a different game, the maps heavily favour incorporeal/unimpeded more than average IRL boards (in the UK anyway) which can distort the data if looked at in isolation (but is still a nice and more detailed data set than we're getting anywhere else) I have stuff I dislike currently but I am always in the camp of not calling stuff broken/op until I'm really sure and I don't believe we can confidently say anything about the new masters from a power level perspective without being heavily influenced by our personal impressions/ meta groups thoughts rather than actual data. I could easily say I think Lady J 2 is broken, but actually she is just hated on alot in the UK right now, does that mean she's actually broken? I don't know so can't say True but Reva 2 for example has I think 5 games? ( based on the last data I saw it may be more now ) I was 3 of those, and my opponents literally ran at her which is exactly what she wants. None of them knew what would really happen by doing that and I'm very sure if we had replayed the game right then, it could have been a very different result. (I think she's good but mostly has one solid playstyle that if your opponent dances around and doesn't give you a brawl, won't work) Schtook 2, Brian is probably a fair chunk of those and does well with whatever he uses I think what I'm saying there in a roundabout way is show me a master that is pushing players above their usual calibre and I think we can start to say broken. Andre winning with Nekima as a data set could show Nekima needing nerfs for example based on her win rate. But if we examine it closer is that Nekima being broken or Andre being a good player warping the data with an otherwise fairly balanced keyword (plucking that example from thin air, not sure if the stats back it up but it shows where I'm coming from)

To be fair thats based on 2 out of 5 doing well but not sure results which in a thread of such a title probably don't deserve a mention. Seamus original has been the same since launch and he's good but I don't think there's any evidence to call him busted. Surely he'd be played more and have already been called up for a nerf if that were the case (personally I think it's little access to card draw that keeps him in the great at what he does, but not broken category) not being able to plan for both at the same time kind of feels like the point of alternate masters but I appreciate that's not the case across them all Kirai, I can kind of see her place on here. I personally think she's a huge gotcha and if you know what she's going to do and spread out she has a much harder time and of course AOE damage like blasts and shockwaves, also staggered all work well as counters to her playstyle, but I can appreciate the NPE that can be caused the first time you play against it We've discussed elsewhere but there's no way this is the case haha. He's solid but very heavily hinged on a couple of models living long enough. People will learn to build against it and tbf you don't exactly need different tools to kill the models in Yan1 vs Yan2. I will say he sits at the upper end of power IMO but has some counters and potential smackdowns purely due to how his mechanics work I think alot of the feedback currently LJ2 Tara2 Hoff2 as examples are NPEs but may settle in the meta before errata time rolls around as people learn to play against them Although I really hate Lady J 2 playstyle and think it's obnoxious it might not turn out to be broken

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