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  1. Tell me how this game went? I am very curious as it’s so unconventional
  2. They seem to be good at getting into a bit of a forward position where the rest of the crew can catch up to them turn one. i wanna use at least one sometime but I have an attachment to the ruthless of the regular minion since outcasts suffer so bad in that department
  3. I have a hard time doubling up in this keyword (but I also suffer from the “one of each” syndrome). The engineer has been amazing but I can see The value in the others too
  4. With Von Schill, how often are you bringing multiple freikorpsmen, engineers, or scouts
  5. He got it several times but he had to stone for it and I tried to make sure if he was getting the trigger he was either on neg flips or he failed the attacks. He nearly killed the librarian twice. She had lots of shielded from the upgrade too so he had a hard time bringing her down. And she kept healing and the steam trunk healed her too
  6. Von schill vs shen long reckoning deliver a message (I picked) outflank (they picked) vendetta (they picked) claim jump (I picked) take prisoner von Schill steam trunk hannah arik with hires merc engineer freikorpsman with hired merc librarian vs shen long 2x students yasunari emissary Sensei yu High River monk (I think) upgrades all over (like 10 stones worth) the only reckoning point scored was in turn 4 on shen long with the freikorpsman. I was gonna kill yu turn 5 but we called it. He could kill anything based on board position and his vendetta was completely shut down (monk on my engineer who was always in the back). I got 2 points for claim jump and one for deliver a message. He got two for outflankz twice I should have blown up his models (yasunari and emissary) but I flipped black joker on positives leaving one at 2hp and the other at 1hp. He ran them away to heal. arik was able to shut down his flight and I finally did the upgrades right. Shielded kept the librarian alive who soaked 8 ap without dying (barely survived). loving this crew and now need to get them all painted!
  7. My typical list is as follows hammy 3x stolen nix wretch 1 rat king from there I change what I do a lot. Vs heavy scheme marker crews I will often do 2x ratkings and Benny, or just Benny and a rat king, plus prospector. Ratcatcher I hire if corrupted idols are there. I use ashes and dust for a good beater and he is valuable vs crews that use scrap (mei feng). Upgrade also vary.
  8. I have a habit of wanting between 5-7. I cant really justify more since it means sacrificing model slots and less I don't feel comfortable with. I find you will use them differently each game and as such I like to bring several just in case. If you bring in a prospector I would be comfortable with running with maybe 4 stones. As it is, Nix and Benny do not have much defensive tech to defend against a well placed alpha strike. This makes having some extra stones important for defense as well as triggers. The crew is flexible enough that I think you just need to experiment. I wouldnt go less than 4 stones though, if only a personal preference.
  9. No not at all. If you over extend turn one and two it can cost you. Turn one and turn is about setting and positioning. I tend to burn through my stones turn 4 the fastest. Turn 3-4 is when you start to move on your schemes unless you have an early opportunity that doesn’t sacrifice positioning. Turn 1-2 is also about Counter engaging. Most of the time the opponent will engage with a beater in turns 1-2. If you can position correctly you can effectively stop that alpha strike and set up the kill on that model. 1-2 is when you set up the long game at strategy, start picking who will need to die, etc. an example was in a previous game vs mei feng. She had moved to one flank to defend against my positioned ashes & dust. I instead moved ashes to the other flank, eating scrap along the way and effectively neutered the efficiency of his models movement. Even after mei feng got into my deployment zone, I knew she wasn’t a kill target when she was forced to try and score breakthrough turn 4 (which my prospector stopped). By shifting my focus away from her and that side of the board, my Blight bubble was able to focus, taking down the metal golem and hooded rider. that is a simple example of shifting your game plan and picking priorities early. The metal golem got into me turn 1 but died turn two. I was patient, chose my point of defense, and made my opponent play the game on my terms. Turn 3 I dropped the two scheme marker for detonate with the Winged Plagues ability, and had the rest of his relevant crew not only locked down, but at a disadvantage in regards to the schemes and strat. Turn 4 I shot my Winged Plague across the board 17” (before its activation) and prepped it for outflank. He was able to deny one point of my outflank, but at the end I wa going to have 6-7 points vs his 4-5. it’s all about the setting up for that late game
  10. That is correct. They are still Insignificant. He can, however force them to group then make a Rat King...
  11. So the Plague crew is one that likes the long game. It takes time to build up the Blight that this crew revolves around. Summoning is a thing but if you spend all your actions trying to create the M2E rat engine, I am sorry, but you are wasting actions as there is little to no benefit. Rats are more of a side effect of what this crew does. They will be on the table and you will be able to do some tricks with them, but the Plague strategy is not based around them. This crew is one that rewards forward planning. Do not try to alpha strike or score early unless the opponent made a mistake you can capitalize on. If you rush this crew, you will lose. This crew is a generalist crew, more so than any other crew in the faction other than maybe the Freikorps. Unfortunately, Hamelin has no fancy flashy gimmick that gets people going "oh that was cool." Playing the Plague crew means you care about those small details no one notices. The combination of small pushes, those extra two stacks of blight setting up the one-shot kill, the sudden suprise damage or unexpected scheme. This crew is not straight forward nor easy to master. It is taking time to learn its little nuances even for someone who has heavily played him both in M2E and M3E. Hamelin plays for the win, not for the death of an entire crew. Deployments where Hamelin shines are Corners, Flank, and Wedge. These are prove the chance for his high mobility to shine (even if unconventional). Strats are pretty flexible with Hamelin. Corrupted Idols can be a bit of challenge due to a lack of healing, but using Rat Kings and Rat Catchers, you can do rather well here. Rat Catchers can still interact when engaged giving them the ability to tie up enemies while still being able to move the markers. Reckoning can be rough if you play carelessly as even the "suicide" abilities of this crew count toward the strategy. You must play more of a shell game, possibly adding in Pride for a heavier defense. Pick your kill targets carefully and don't offer up too many free kills. Hamelin's Lure is your best friend here. Plant Explosives is probably Hamelin's best strat as he can send his vermin quite a distance. His mobility is the strength here. Turf War is another strong one as the crew is one who can actually control the center of the board rather well. Schemes that work well in Hamelin are as follows: Detonate Charges: Winged Plague make this super easy as a late activation. Outflank: Again, Winged Plague can fill this role rather well for cheap. Power Ritual: Again, Winged Plague and the ability to push them around help this a lot. Claim Jump: Nix is easy to get into the center and keep alive if you crew bubbles up correctly. Vendetta: relatively easy if you can lure in the target and use the Wretch as the Vendetta model. Just know, they will gun for her and she will be hard to fully protect adequately. Rat Catchers can be a good option too if adequately protected and possibly have Soldier for Hire. Also Plague does not have many good options for opponents to pick. Deliver a Message: Do not take it, but this is a good choice to pick the crew for as Nix can keep them from being able to do it. Schemes that I think are not so good to choose with Hamelin: Breakthrough: While the crew is mobile, it usually cannot move enough on its own fast enough to drop enough markers. It causes the crew to over extend a bit much. Take Prisoner: Plague models are too fragile to do this reliably, but using Hamelin to Lure them in "might" work, but in my experiences it is not the easiest option. Hold Up Their Forces: Again, too fragile to try and just sit next to models. But this is even harder than Take Prisoner. Overall, A very flexible crew. The overall effect is the opponent doesn't normally understand whats going on until its too late. The crew has strength in mobility, flexibility and disruption. The weaknesses are durability and having no real "beater" in the crew for explosive early game damage. Many people haven't really grasped him yet because of all the subtleties of the crew but I honestly believe Plague will have his day as 3rd edition continues to grow! Models I like to add in and reasoning: Ashes & Dust: a great flexible beater that can both scheme and kill, possibly even summon other minions! Prospector: A great addition if you are trying to defend against Breakthrough. Benny preforms a similar function but Prospectors are more cost effective. Pride: This is my go-to defensive model in all my crews and he doubles down in Plague. He can shut down cheating which can spell death for any model stuck in the blight bubble. Midnight Stalker: This is the one model than can make many "ok" schemes quite doable. Not a bad scheme runner killer either. Hodgepodge Effigy: I like this model more than the Emissary due to cost and purpose. I do not thing the Emissary adds much to the Hamelin crew but cheap targeted healing is useful. I never take the Effigy upgrade. ** As a warning, Hamelin can have a hard time into Ten Thunders due to charm warders and some very bad matchups (Shen Long). Just be warned they have many tools to cause Hamelin problems. Ok this has been my overview of the Keyword! If you have any opinions or points of discussion please share! I will also be sharing my games going forward to help explain how the crew works in practice.
  12. So now we will tackle going over the rest of the crew. I won't go into quite as much depth mostly because I already did and accidentally deleted my work... oops... I will be highlighting the most prominent part of the models and any combos and things to note. The majority of this crew has an ability called Diseased. Use it to spread Blight and it does stack with Hamelin's ability. Position correctly to maximize the use. So to start is the totems, The Stolen. Poor stats but good defensive abilities. They will generally be kept back behind the line so unless you are careless they should survive pretty well. They play a pivotal role in keeping Hamelin alive so be even more careful with them if you feel they will try to assassinate your master. The real value comes from their Vomiting Disease attack and their Moldy Cheese action. The attack isn't amazing, but you have three models using the attack and it can take its toll. It makes them much more dangerous that people expect. Their Moldy Cheese can give vermin fast which is a strong combo to do before Hamelin pushes them around with his Unclean Influence. Do not be sad if they die, they are just pawns and that is part of their purpose. Next is Henchman #1, Nix. Nix is the goodest of boys and is very valuable to the crew. With decent stats, he is the best tarpit as his self healing comes in often and Incorporeal helps reduce damage. His ability to stop severe damage is a reason he is a part of "the bubble." His mele attack is good and targets WP with built in Blight stacking. He has the second strongest Bleeding Disease only beaten by Hamelin himself. Where you really see him show some strength is his bonus actions. The first is Drink Spirit which is quite a heavy drain on the opponent as they must pass a high WP check to avoid blight. I have found most people seem to just let it happen, but they then forget that Nix heals each time they fail and that blight adds up. His second ability is situational, but will shut down Deliver a Message and other schemes with good positioning. Learn to use it well and you will completely destroy your opponent's ability to score schemes. The other henchman is Benny Wolcomb. Benny is in a weird place that you only see the depth of what he does by getting him on the table. He has average stats, but he is a rather flexible model. He is best picked to counter scheme markers as he has Life of Crime and the ability to turn markers into rats or vise versa. He doesn't stand out because how he is a tech pick. He provides mobility with a trigger on his gun and can spread blight on his mele. Defensively he spans rats when damaged and can attack movement with vermin around. Overall he is a great tech piece in scheme marker heavy pools. Next is The Obedient Wretch. She is the only keyword enforcer and preforms the role of anti-armor/shielded and another source of Bleeding Disease. She has the same defensive tech as The Stolen so she can be hard to target early, but if she is hit she can die quickly. She has a poor gun action that is more about the triggers, either getting another source of Skittering Vermin or spawning more rats. Her bleeding disease might be the weakest in stats, but her Tummy Aches ability makes it more likely to succeed as your opponent cant cheat against you. She is a very large part of the Hamelin damage core so protect her until she can do her job. On to the minions we have the Rat King. This preforms the role of fast damage dealer but is still quite flexible. It wants to engage models to try and make them slow. Its attack is a good stat and can trigger Onslaught. A decent damage track and the ability to spread blight on kills make it perfect to be a finisher. It can heal itself by eating other models (usually a rat) but you do not get the demise ability of the model when you do this. It is a fantastic anti-schemer, able to use scheme markers to move around while eating them. When it gets low, just use its ability to kill itself and spawn a rat catcher. A great flexible model. Speaking of Rat Catchers, this is another useful minion. You may not even hire one but usually you will see one. They have average stats but can gain shielded by having rats near them. They also have the ability to spawn rats when Blighted things die near them. A big value to them is their Don't Mind Me, which unless I have forgotten something, is the only model in the faction that has it. Their attack looks meh, but gets scary. You can easily do min 4 with its built in trigger or add slow instead. It has a better stated Moldy Cheese and has a self heal. Being able to bring all rats near him closer helps add shielded as well. A wonderful and flexible model (seeing a pattern?). The next minion is the Winged Plague, an under appreciated model. It is the keyword scheme runner, but has no real defensive abilities. If something remotely killy looks its way, it is gonna die. This is a model you want to skulk around and wait until an opportune moment to use. It is able to drop scheme markers off plagued opponents with an ability that just happens, perfect for detonate charges. That is the biggest thing about it other than the fact its vermin. As a flying model it can get around a lot easier and you can push it all over the place with Skittering Vermin. It is very easy to push the Winged Plague 14+ inches before it has even activated. Add fast from Moldy Cheese and they will get all around. Be careful using their ability to push towards a model.. it can push them out of position and get them unnecessarily killed. Worst case use them as a suicide Blight bomb The last model to talk about is the Malifaux Rat. Now this models is interesting because it is the summon for the team but it cant activate and doesn't cause a pass token. You can use their entire activation to just take away a pass token from the enemy. This is useful as you will have more model than the opponent. The best use of the rats is fuel for other abilities as discussed above. The perk to this is when they die you draw a card. But they have another use in that they can band together forming a new Rat King. This forces your opponent to deal with them, wasting actions on such fodder. Here are some very important things to note about the rats: They can use the "assist" action They can remove destructible terrain (generic action found under Destructible Terrain in the rule book) They do not have engagement range Their base can still get in the way of charges If you have many swarmed they can be very.. very unexpectedly dangerous.. but its rare And that is the crew. Next I will discuss how the crew preforms and its ups and downs.
  13. Hey Everyone! I have been a Malifaux player since early in M2E and my favorite master thematically has always been Hamelin. The challenge has been dealing with his changes in M3E and learning to adapt the crew to the new edition. Here I want to document a breakdown of Hamelin and the Plague keyword and document my findings and thoughts as I continue to delve in the tyrants gameplan. I will also share my games and their results when I remember to post them. Playing the plague keyword means you are stepping into the shoes of Malifaux's greatest alchemist-turned-tyrant, Plague. Playing this crew means you view your pieces as but expendable pawns in your grand strategy in a game that your opponents do not even know they are losing. You are cruel, calculating, and devastating as you command the vermin and wretches of Malifaux to do your will. Just as Plague takes the unassuming form of his victim, Hamelin, so too does your plan veil itself until your opponent realizes too late what it is. So lets talk about the "feel" of the crew, or how the general style of play goes. The plague keyword is not one of upfront durability. Most models are rather easy to kill. They make up for this in a couple ways, first of all being 'Demise' abilities. The majority of models in the keyword have extra effects upon their death. Hamelin considers all other creatures to be pawns in the great game of the tyrants, and it is very much reflected by how the crew doesn't mind dying as much. Another strength that this crew has to balance their fragility is their speed (more about that later). The main "themes" of the crew is Blight and rats. Over time, blight builds up allowing you to do large amounts of damage and several abilities use the blight as well. Rats will slow start to spawn over time. Rats are useful for summoning Rat Kings and getting in the way. They give you a card when they die so never be sad when that will inevitably happen. Other uses will be explained later. This crew is a late game crew. You need to make it to turn 4-5 to fully realize what your crew does. Hamelin rewards you for playing with the long game in mind. The crew can both kill and scheme effectively, but you are not playing the Victorias, or Parker, or any master that has a clear broadcasted strength. Plague is about playing the game, and that means your opponent is playing YOUR game, whether they know it or not. Through explanation of the mechanics you will understand how this is a crew that plays to the point and focuses their efforts around that. The first piece to talk about is Hamelin himself. He is a master that plays a pivotal in the crew. For stats, he has solid defenses for a master with plenty of wounds so he wont go down easily. Figuring in his totems, Hamelin is the most durable part of the crew. This matters as the crew will quickly fall apart without him. **Remember Hamelin is not a "living" model so does not drop a corpse marker nor can he take the Soldier For Hire Upgrade. His abilities start to paint a picture of his role for the crew. He is a center of control and disease while also filling the role of a beater. Source of the Contagion make Hamelin want to be near the action (although maybe not directly as the center of it). This ability stacks with the rest of the crew, meaning a model activating near both Hamelin and another plague model will gain 2 stacks of Blight right away. Voracious Rats is something that will eventually happen as models die near him. The rats are a discussion later, but this is a good way to start the tide of vermin. Demise (Agony) is the key to keeping Hamelin alive under pressure. You kill your totem in order to live. Do not overly rely on this as bad positioning can compromise the stolen. Coughing Fit is the real reason you want to be near the action. Shutting down triggers is incredibly useful and it works on both attack and resistance triggers. Don't always use it as you need blight to stack up for Bleeding Disease, but it can shut down a lot of models reliant on triggers. Nihilism is an ok ability that comes in really only in specific matchups. Use it if you are trying to avoid a critical condition. For attack actions, Hamelin has a couple layers. The Black Staff has an underwhelming damage track for a master, but that's not the value of it. It automatically gives Blight if successful and has three very good triggers. Infestation is more incidental if you don't need the injured, but it is still not bad. Terminal is built in and can completely neuter an opponent. This alone makes Hamelin tend to go early to set up the rest of your crew. Skittering vermin is the underestimated trigger. This is actually something worth stoning for. You just need line of sight to the vermin (Rat King, Winged Plague, Rats). I have sent my model well across the board with this to score points. It has many applications and shouldn’t be forgotten. Lure is back but like the rest of the lures in the game, it is now only 12". This is still very strong with a high stat. it again can trigger Skittering Vermin and has Taint built in to add Blight to the target. This action is ideal to pull out a model from your opponent's crew to tear apart with your own. Also great to pull enemies off of objectives. Bleeding Disease is the crew's signature damage ability. This can absolutely nuke a model turn 3 and later. This is the first indicator of when damage is viable in the crew. Turn three you are likely to have several stacks on multiple models and if you attack twice, their blight will be high enough along with what ever damage you did (plus injured from the trigger) that you will almost guarantee a kill. The tactical actions are where Hamelin's power is hidden. First, Pustulent Tumors is not an attack action so it does not suffer from things like incorporeal. This is the spot where having rats around is very strong. Do not feel bad about stoning for the trigger as doing 4dmg in a burst +2 blight is very, very good. It has caught my opponents off guard on several occasions. If you are about to loose a Winged Plague or you have no more use, they also make a great target as they add an addition Blight with their Demise ability. Unclean Influence is where this crew will surprise an unsuspecting opponent. The actiion can be a walk, charge, interact, attack, assist.. it goes on and on. I normally turn this into at least 2-3 actions making it very useful. You can also have rats turn into rat kings with it, get multiple attacks in with Rat Kings if you have the Onslaught trigger, and the list goes on. pay attention to your bubble as this will make sure you can dish out both damage as will as good amount of utility. This is a breakdown of just the master. Next I will describe where the keyword excels and I will be doing the rest of the crew, but I am running out of time now. Let me know if you liked the breakdown as well as if you agree/disagree with the things I am talking about. I am limited in my own time and play group so if you have found other results please let us all know!
  14. Welcome to Malifaux! Parker is a blast to play and in certain schemes is incredibly hard to stop. His is a good choice to learn the game with and has room to grow. His crew brings tons of ranged firepower and mobility due to their Run and Gun. Always bring mad dog. He is the highest damage out put in keyword. the bandidos are great cheap minions for their cost. I usually bring 1-2 as needed. wouku raiders take some finesse but can be great models. The first addition to the crew I recommend outside of the core box is Sue. He bring good damage and utility. People are split on convict gunslingers as many think them slightly over costed in point (I tend to agree) but can get a lot of attacks. Dead outlaws are a good addition as a bit of a ranged bruiser/support piece. Decent attack but it’s triggers are fantastic. Malifaux 3rd edition has proven to be the best balanced edition yet. If you find a model that just looks cool, you can find a place for it somewhere. Should you want some information on particular models we can all help my favorite additions are as follows: midnight stalker for high mobility and scheme running prospector for schemes and soulstones Hans for extra ranges utility but can be hard to use optimally Barbaros (hard to get ahold of solo atm) for a bit of tank and control.
  15. I think the guilty are a minimum 2x because they are used that way. I have abused them many times and it’s a very good use out of them. Don’t forget to draw a card after you damage them!
  16. The only ruthless they have are their basic minion, and their condition removal is limited. Other factions have more ways to deal with conditions than outcasts do. Definitely not terrible, but it’s something we have to deal with.
  17. Yeah and lack of ruthless. If I gave outcasts daw is my go to.
  18. That’s fair. Tbh I haven’t had enough variety in opponents yet to be able to speak from experience. We have all been focusing on like 2 masters each and some people haven’t been playing regularly making certain factions a bit more rare to face. I for me, I won’t play daw into arcanists, but I love parker into that matchup, no guild with Tara, and no neverborn or ten thunders with parker. The rest I don’t know
  19. So my problem with the crew is that while I hold that it isn’t bad, other crews do what it does just better. What do you guys think? Is there something hamelin does far better than other masters and crews?
  20. So in regards to playstyle, is zip more of a disruption denial master with a flexible crew?
  21. Ok so I have always loved outcasts with their individuality and characters. They have always had odd ways to play and always bring the hurt. I have one problem that maybe you can all weigh in on... Masters and their playstyle/place in competitive play. I love all the outcasts masters but bringing literally the entire faction to a tournament is both highly inconvenient and impractical. What roles do each masters/crews play and their playstyle? These are my initial thoughts (in order of personal favorites). Also this branches into what’s competitive/strongest, but I am more interested what makes you bring them in a tournament list due to style and roles. Tormented: Jack Daw crew is one that I find is a fairly flexible crew, balancing between a beater playstyle and control, but focusing on the “choking” denial control. If you like to see your opponent squirm in their seat with a sour look on their face, he’s a good fit. He does incredibly well with kill based pools where you can lock down your opponent’s. I feel idols is his weakest strategy due to not enough disposable health or ready healing. Guilty help a bit, but still I don’t like taking him into that scheme. Obliteration: Tara’s crew I am only just starting into but am loving it so much. She brings a heavy disruption game and unparalleled maneuvering that is he epitome of unconventional. She is incredibly flexibly where I feel you want to avoid reckoning due to how many points you bring. You have a lot of options for the opponent to get their strat points. Bandits: Parker I pick more due to the scheme pool. Bandits are mobile, efficient, and pew pew! Parker is another spin on denial but this is more of a resource denial game, stealing both soulstones and cards. I feel he does fine in all strats but schemes are his strength. He can shut down marker reliant crews and scheme while excelling himself. Plague: I am having a hard time with Plague as far as choosing them over others. Hamelin brings a very unique denial/beatdown game. Treating his models as expendable, forming a large bubble but also having high mobility in his crew, he seems to be a generalist that I can’t find why I would bring him over others except for love for the theme. Please pipe in here as he got me to play Malifaux years ago. Amalgam: so I love the thematic of this crew and it was my #1 played in m2e. Through a bit of an attrition game, Levi kills things dead and becomes stronger for it over time. A very good crew into damage based pools and a crew that is hard to put down. Fairly flexible with decent in keyword scheme runners and plenty of damage, he primarily fails to do schemes that need your opponent still alive.. nuff said Freikorps: An incredibly durable crew with options for days. This crew can tackle most scenarios but I have yet to truly get the hang of them. If you like having tools for every job, even if those tools don’t look flashy on the surface, this is a great crew. They are definitely a crew suited to straight forward tactics, but having tools to change how they tackle their opponents. Strong option for reckoning due to fewer models and high survivability. Mercenaries: The Vick’s have some cool movement tricks and really good scheme runners, and their alpha strike is one of the most dangerous in the game. This crew is highly predictable, but good at doing what it does. I don’t play them so I can’t comment much else. Infamous: Zip... I have no idea... he funny haha... pianos.. I have the least desire to play him so I honestly can’t say much.
  22. I really like the idea of aionus doing that to the guilty. Really funny jank
  23. So you tried him in parker, did he seem to fit naturally there? anywhere else you have used him?
  24. I will be using Pride In my next game to try him out. I heard someone tell me it was good so time to test it!
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