Specifically at rvdbarnes: Can you be more specific with what it is about reckoning you don't like? Who/what is you favourite master/models/theme to play generally? some great info so far, thanks all. I use Pandora, and like to play the central turf war/misery/widow weaver buff zone, with teddy and Kade in there too. I think it's the thought of not being able to utilise sorrows and really changing my play style that makes this strategy seem so tricky. that and the fact that I regularly play against the hanged! Who softens the toughest beat stick so easily with a half wounds and no heal attack.