yool1981

4 hours ago, Davie said:

I agree and I tried that. it's hard to find a german store that provides anything malifaux 3rd Edition however.

I think you should try the UK ones before Brexit happens

2 hours ago, Davie said:

okay so I pre-ordered some faction packs and the rulebook for me and my Group on a german online store. (fantasywelt.de)

right now it says "waiting for updated release date by the Producer". So it seems they have not yet received anything. I guess it's the fault of the Distributor which also didn't know anything about "Special orders". Anyway it's kinda annoying.

I'm not criticising wyrd btw. I have no insight in what is really happening. I just wanted to Report on how Things go in Germany.

Some online stores are better than others at informing their customers.

For example, a month ago, Wayland still let you order Von Schill's box without having stocks inside their inventory and telling you on the website they refurbish was expected.

Meanwhile, Element games told you flat out that the product was no longer available.

So sometimes you have to go to several sources to find out what is the most likely truth.

I am very happy to have access to M3E cards with the old artwork, even for a short while.

For the models I don't replace I will still have cards looking like what's on the table.

Thank you very much.

12 hours ago, J4bberw0ck said:

Oh, and @yool1981, I think the middle scavvie looks like he's crouching over some loot and trying to intimidate someone/thing else to back off. Dunno if it'll work, given his stats, but still. If you've ever seen a cornered animal with its hackles raised, it reminds me a lot of that. More important to show off your weapons than to actually use them.

Well the last time I was threaten by a knife (quite frankly it just happened once to me so perhaps not all thugs are the same :D), it was pointed towards me in a position allowing for a quick strike in case I tried to go after the guy. It makes absolutely no sense to try to scare someone away in the position chosen by the artist.

I have never been threatened by a gun but from what I have told, it is also pointed right at you. But I am not American so I know less about guns

Nice art but imho too close to the former one for Levi. I preferred the previous Levi.

For Alice I like both arts. This one is new and different.

The waives are very similar to their previous art I think.

The scavengers are too neat and clean for my taste but not bad per se (they just lack flavour). Or perhaps I was expecting some Jawas 😛

What exactly is the one in the middle doing? It seems that he is waiting for the opponent to come but in that case his shotgun is in a poor position for the fight... Or maybe he is just having the tourista which can happen to the best of us .

47 minutes ago, Kyle said:

The PDFs for Faction Books will become available shortly after the physical books are on store shelves (the grace period will be what you are already used to). The digital rules and cards will be available on our site at launch. 

We have not announced any information about potential errata. We'll cross that bridge at a later time.

Awesome thanks !

About the errata I was not implying there would be one soon. Sorry if I was unclear. I just thought that it was likely that during the M3E's happy life there would be a few card modifications and wanted to know how we would be able to track if the translation is up to date.

Thanks a lot for the news.

Seeing that there was a naval blockade to try to delay the faction books, what kind of dark secrets are you revealing?

Speaking of books, I do not buy physical copies anymore because it takes too much space so I buy the pdfs directly. Do you expect the books to be released in pdf 2-3 months after physical release as was usually done previously or will this practice change?

The translations are a great news. Many players play in both French & English, how do you expect the errata to be handled? Will there be a versionning written on each card?

1 minute ago, Nathan Caroland said:

Not really sure how it costs any more than what they would normally pay.

Retailer makes his orders from a distributor. Most distributors will offer free shipping to the retailer if they order over X amount - which is how most distributors get, and retain, loyal retailers. If they are putting in monthly orders for other items, it is little to no additional issue for them to put in a special order with a distributor that carries our line of product.

At that point, the distributor sends us his bi-weekly or monthly ordering, depending on who/what and we send along the special order with their normal restocks and new releases. From there the distributor just sends it out to the retailer with their next order, or if there is a hurry, that retailer makes a decision to ship and pay. 

It's rather straight forward.

I understand your concerns, and if I could amazon everything overnight, sure - but there really shouldn't be any issues with a retailer getting product from a distributor he orders from on a regular basis.  

Thanks a lot for the explanation. I will check with some LGS to see what is possible to do.

Malifaux orders are scarce for the LGS I have visited so I don't know if they have regular orders. Maybe if the distributor sells other products that the LGS also purchases, there is a way of rationalizing the shipping cost.

Frankly speaking, it's been a while since I have used an LGS to order Wyrd minis (no stock and no support for the game anymore so I stopped bothering). I'll check anyway and perhaps ask other LGS to have more points of view.

Thanks for the insight.

1 hour ago, Nathan Caroland said:

I expect online retailers are not going to use this option for multiple reasons, also a reason why brick and mortar retailers are so important to the gaming communities. 

Special orders are a great idea and thx a lot for that.

However, please kindly note that in some parts of Europe (France in my situation), the number of LGS distributing Wyrd's products is low (and has dropped during M2E for reasons that are entirely another topic). Some still provide the ordering service to customers but without any stock in the shop and without advertizing (it is akeen to ask for a favour from them to order Wyrd products). Needless to say that a special order will cost them a lot in shipping costs unless I misunderstood something about how it will work (so I guess it will cost the final customer a lot in the end).

So it seems that, unless I misunderstood, many European customers will have to go through Wyrd's webstore to get the special orders. Unfortunately, Wyrd provides one of the highest shipping costs I have encountered on US webstores.

So, although the commercial gesture of special orders is thoughtful and nice, I am worried it will in practice be only available to US customers or EU customers with active communities nearby that will make grouping orders to share the pain (quickly a logistic hell in my experience).

Donnot ever attempt to assemble Bayou Gators .

In Wyrd's defence, if you come from PP & GW, Wyrd's minis are thinner (and imho more realistic) and M2E poses tend to be less static than the average space marine or chaos daemon (it is not a critic though, I love the last chaos daemons that GW has issued).

Some minis are not revolving around a given moulding plan as some other minis are (PP miniatures and many GW miniatures mostly have the classic facing or oblic shoulders pose) so my guess is that it impacts the mould design and causes the breaking down of the minis into a myriad of pieces. But my knowledge of miniature injection moulding is a basic one so I could be wrong.

You will note that the latest M3E renders we have seen so far are much more classical in their pose and bulkier so I guess the problem will be less prevalent on new releases.

Personally, I'd rather have glued fingers and nervous breakdown than systematically having a classical pose & bulkiness on all the models but it seems that the trend now is to have simplier minis.

I liked the old Torokage. This art is different (which is a good thing).

The masks and the clothes are nice, I like their style.

However, I have a hard time understanding what the one on the left is doing though. Has he tripped on something?

Same thing with the one of the right, how can his legs be in that position and his lower clothes be right under his feet. This feels very awkward to me. I understand this may be to make the model easier to assemble on a base but this does not feel right to me.

Overall, nice try at dynamic poses and, except for the pose awkwardness, good art.

@ whodares

A good mini game takes time to learn.

For example, at the start of M2E, my first games vs summoners were very painful until I learnt to deal with them. They remained strong but not unbeatable. The first game against Nelly was not fun either because she used some new mechanics I had to get used to.

It is normal that going up against a crew blindly gets you stomped. You will probably do better next time.

And then again, perhaps in 3 months, Titania will be errated because you are correct and she's OP.

She has been much test during the open beta though, from the reports I read.

2 hours ago, katadder said:

Guys, I dont think anyone has room to complain when the rules and cards are being released for free online. Remember Wyrd is a business and is there to make money as well as actually provide a wage for its employees. We are not in a cheap hobby and prices do have to rise sometimes

Yep the rule thing is cool. I have always purchased the books from Wyrd to sustain the development work and IP (I never used any copy or shared books with others).

The special order things is cool also and very thoughtful of Wyrd. I like the new bundle packaging.

I started the topic on crewboxes only and the price has indeed risen, even for existing boxes. However, some posters also noted that crewboxes excepted, some prices had decreased.

My original complaint was:

_ Stuff that have existed for a long time and for which the original production investment has been amortized (or at least I hope for Wyrd) have seen their price risen. I am more used to seeing rises in price going along with resculpts (and resculpts being far superior to the former minis - see below). I understand inflation and all but this still does not make sense to me (I am a Kaizen kind of guy).

_ Much more subjectively: New stuff that I find less appealing than before (or at least less innovative in terms of sculpts and probably easier to mould than many M2E stuff) being more (or as) expensive than the older bolder stuff was. The new minis are imho inferior to the former ones.

So overall, I have a feeling of a stagnation or a downgrade in Wyrd's minis along with a price increase for the newer sculpts and some older crewboxes.

Hence my discomfort.

But it seems that I am in the minority about this so everything is fine for Wyrd :D.

2 hours ago, Math Mathonwy said:

But Wave 5 finally started doing interesting things with basic minis. Smugglers are amazing while I feel that in Wave 3 they would've looked like generic low-lifes. And the same goes for Domadores, Investigators, Steamfitters, and even stuff like Medical Automatons. I feel that they are seriously imaginative and break basic expectations and are as far from bland and generic as you can get. 

Grootslang - I'm sure there was some kind of a mistake as the size doesn't make any sense at all. I love the Wisps and Adze.

I understand your point.

I have only assembled the arcanist & NB minis you list and I find them very nice except for Adze (average) and Grootslang (aweful, only the Blessed of December is uglier in the whole range imho).

For Smugglers, Domadores & Investigators, the artworks are fine indeed. Are the minis equal to the art? I have not seen them on a table actually.

I found that more of Wave 5 arts (not all, steamfitters are indeed very nice minis imho) were lost in the sculpts than the previous waves. Some details were lost and the minis were too bulky for my taste. Don't you think?

On 5/18/2019 at 10:29 PM, Math Mathonwy said:

I disliked the 2e Lady Justice sculpt and though this new one isn't superb I still think it's better. Scales is better, too, IMO and there's no giant Death Marshall so that's a plus. The DMs themselves are IMO about on par with the old ones with surfer being a bit meh but the lanky one dragging the coffin is probably my favourite DM of all time. Judge is fine though the 2nd edition version was better.

As for the Marcus box - well, Marcus himself is a clear letdown. Miranda is better than before but still not great. Jackalope is lots better and the new Initiates are nice, IMO, especially the bird lady is awesome. The snake dude looks a bit imbalanced, but I'll reserve judgement until I see the sculpt.

Colette's box is completely top notch. Not a single dud and finally Colette looks her part. An excellent box.

Somer is nice but the gun is ludicrous and not in a good way. Skeeters look the same as before? Good Ol' Boys look amazing! Probably the best of the whole lot. Lenny is a huge disappointment, though the Pig is sorta funny.

Hucksters look great, though some of the faces look a bit weird in renders - I wonder how they look on the models.

So yeah, a solid set of releases. Not the best stuff ever but certainly way better than the blandness of wave 3.

Don't you think the Guild releases are very bland, especially when looking at the renders instead of the art?

Don't you think the poses of the DMs and Judge are very odd?

Basse does not look very impressive in terms of creativity either.

Regarding the Arcanist boxes, I actually like the Marcus box (the only new box I am considering picking up) and Colette's is OK, except for Colette herself (I find her chest strangely built and her body too bulky) and Cassandra is less how I picture her than her previous incarnation.

However, I find the Elijah & co box very bland. I ordered doomseekers to use them as proxies (even if it will end up being more expensive, I like the sculpts of the doomseekers so I don't mind).

Hucksters for me suffer from the same issue as Elijah & Co, their art could be in a D&D book but I find their arts odd in a steampunk setting (perhaps it is because of the clothing).

Regarding Somer I liked the previous box and I am not really into Gremlins (except for Zipp) so I have no opinion.

I find M3E's renders inferior to Wave 5 imho.

4 minutes ago, cbtb11235813 said:

To me they look like Fiery Doomseekers, so they definitely check the "Cult" box for me

They don't look mad enough and their clothes are too clean for my taste.

I like my arsons dirty and wild, don't ask me why :D.

Just now, cbtb11235813 said:

Strongly disagree, those Firebranded look fantastic

I can understand that.

I just feel they look too "fantasy" and not enough "steampunky" (not very clear I know). And perhaps I was expecting something more akeen to the cult of the burning man and less like a posse  of elemental mages.

I also like cherry picking my models but I think on this point Wyrd has been thoughtful of older players with the special order concept.

So this new bundle packaging is quite OK imho.

SKU management is a hell once you reach a large enough range of products so this change is perfectly understandable imho.

And, as Gnomezilla said, Gadzook is amazing and very efficient so, even after the first year, we should be able to get parts of the boxes.

10 hours ago, Math Mathonwy said:

Not the best stuff ever but certainly way better than the blandness of wave 3.

Yep I was not a fan of Wave 3 either except for some emissaries. I really like the NB and Outcast ones though. I have painted the NB one and I reallly like this mini.

The changelings are nice also but the sculpts are much too similar for my taste.

Didn’t you like Wave 4? I really liked the NB stuff and I thought Zipp’s box was cool. Nelly was also interesting. I thought new concepts or revisions of old concepts were nicely brought into the game.

What did you like in Wave 5? I have got the NB, the Gatreauz bokors and arcanist stuff and I was disappointed when I saw some of the miniatures assembled (the bokors are nice but very big and bulky imho).

The Adze was not great but the worst was the Grootslang imho.

7 hours ago, solkan said:

So you have no idea how the miniature production industry works.

 Thanks for identifying your problem.  

It is obvious that on your side you have infinite science and wisdom.

I am very sorry I have offended your highness and will stop bothering you with my idiotic questions.

2 hours ago, solkan said:

Where, exactly, could you imagine "efficiency" and "economies of scale" exist in an industry that produces wargaming miniatures?

By increasing your sales I would guess and improving your project management process to be able to actually be on schedule on your releases, thereby improving your working capital.

I know the market is saturated but Wyrd’s visibility in LGS is non existant around here. You have to really want their products to purchase them. The way I see them their marketing and business development ability is really poor.

20 hours ago, Nathan Caroland said:

Yup, you're right, that's all that goes into developing and running a company - we should probably just go ahead and price those at cost and put them out there. 😐

Not to mention warehouse/office, development, design, packaging, print, labor, shipping, hardware/computers - and the assumption all of which have somehow miraculously not increased over the years, much less the tariffs, trades - etc. 

I am on a company board also so I have an idea of how a company is run  

I however can very hardly increase prices for old things without a good reason on the direct production costs (overheads are usually considered to have to be absorbed by more efficiency and economies of scale).

To increase prices easily I have to do better than before.

Additionally if I make simpler products (like the new M3E sculpts), I cannot expect to rise my prices easily either.

Different industries I guess. Looking at the reactions on this topics it does not bother your customers. I wish I had the same luxury

But anyhow I can understand why in terms of marketing the crew box prices should all be the same, even if some are old ones.

if some prices other than crewboxes have decreased then it is good indeed.

13 minutes ago, Adran said:

I just looked at Colette and her M3 box appears to be the same cost as her M2e box with the same number of models in. It looks like all are now $50, which was the price of all the wave 4 masters.

I went into more details:

• Colette's crew lost the equivalent of 1 mini am I wrong? So same price but less minis
• Seamus went up 5USD for the exact same box
• Perdita actually went down since Abuela is added but the increase is just 5 USD (Abuela's mini is imho worth more than 5USD)
• Sonnia went up 5 USD for the exact same box
• Justice went up 5 USD
• Marcus did not change but the content is not the same. It actually went up because the former box included big minis.

8 minutes ago, Gnomezilla said:

For the emissary/rider price bracket you’re wrong, those went down in cost I noticed. If I am remembering correctly, the only boxes which increased were M2E wave 1 crew boxes went up to $50 to match later waves’ crew boxes.

I just checked the crewboxes, for the other boxes I haven't checked. Colette is not Wave 1, it is Wave 2.

19 minutes ago, Adran said:

So yes, in some cases the prices have gone up from the price it was 5 years ago.

For existing minis, how come since the moulds are fully amortized by now, the process automatized (so less inpact of the labour cost) and oil prices are unless I am wrong below those from 5 years ago (https://tradingeconomics.com/commodity/crude-oil)?

For new minis, they all have simpler sculpts and larger features which should decrease the mould cost (although I guess they use a bit more material.

Am I wrong or do the M3E crewboxes now feature less minis for the same or for a higher price?

So, after the previews we have seen from the art direction of the M3E, I am now sure that I hate the new arts & sculpts with a passion.

I find them boring and unimaginative. The lack of ambition in the art and sculpt line is blatant. There is nothing special to Malifaux anymore, it is just a steampunk game among others.

I am really down on the game right now. I don't think I am in line with Wyrd's artistic choices anymore and artistic choices are very important to me when I chose a mini game.

I still have M2E minis though so I have a lot of painting on my plate but it is very likely that my purchases for M3E will be limited to books (I still like the game and fluff) and perhaps a few minis to complete some keywords and/or some that avoided the vanilla effect.

None of the resculpts interest me more than their M2E version. 

I am bored just by looking at the art of Elijah and friends. There was so much better to do with the concept.