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sliverwind

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  1. Please tell me what the best way of dealing with turn 1 lady justice is. Or for preventing colette's duet from killing a model or two before swapping out and leaving only a manequin near you. The other models you have mentioned aren't broken..... anymore. because they got cuddled.
  2. I'm terribly sorry but people have asked for an explanation to the mere footnote I have mentioned in all three threads.
  3. 6 Dogs not 8. You gain melee master from killing a single enemy model then hun po assault from killing a second. Chiaki kills the final dog with her 1 action. Datsue-ba was never actually necessary please ignore it. Thank you for your well capitalised thoughts on the matter.
  4. Barnaberible I was not suggesting that Yan Lo could play well against colette. The mere fact that there are other broken masters in the game does not mean the list is invalid. At no point did I suggest that this list could defend against colette's ability to get to you kill all your guys for free and then swap out leaving a manequin in place. Nor did I suggest it defeats the ability to place lady justice next to my crew or pandora's ability to get to my deployment zone using only 0 actions. And the reason for that is that there is no way to do such a thing without using a seriously broken list myself. I am saying that this list is dumb broken and overpowered but not that there arent other crews that are more overpowered.
  5. Malal your first two sentences are correct. The third in which you try to cast doubt on a method nicodem players have been using since the games beginning less so. Although I'll grant you there is a chance you don't kill all the dogs. Where you have aquired the information that Yan Lo needs to kill the enemy with weight of ages I have no idea. The damage caused by hitting not killing turns on fragile bonds which allows you to charge as a 1 action leaving you with 2 general AP plus the charge attack in order to kill 1 model to gain melee master 2. Then you need to flip a single ram to trigger hun po assault which at no point specifies a need to hit its target. SO incredibly card dependent depends upon your own idea of what is incredible but 3 cards doesn't really get there for me. I believe the ability to get to an enemy with melee master and the ability to attack everyone within 2 inches very useful. Yes I have ignored the fact that the enemy can disrupt this combination however the ability to do so requires the enemy to get to my deployment zone (unless they can wait to the 8th activation) before they can.
  6. Soundly implies that I was entirely wrong. And debunking implies proof that it does not work. What actually happened is that you spouted some numbers some of which were wrong then promptly declared it worthless. In reality you were partly correct. The result is correct my method was off. It has been corrected. and im sorry for any confusion that is taking place.
  7. I have just discovered an error in the list in that gaki's cannot kill each other this means the datsueba is superfluous and can be switched for other models such as a trio of dogs. This means the list is now incapable of getting to the opposing deployment zone ( a requirement it never really had seeing as the enemy crew as D-A-C so rightly points out will be all around the map). The chain of events goes as follows: 1. Student activates and gives yan lo fast. 2. Dogs activate and kill each other and the student. This will probably leave a dog or two standing . Chiaki casts purity then stabs a remaining dog. (Yan has thus far gained 9-10 chi, 3 from stones 6 or 7 from dogs and student, giving him path of spirit lvl3 and either complete or half complete path of bone lvl3.) 4. Flesh construct double flings 5. Yan Lo weight of ages and fragile bonds a guy it dies and he gains lvl 3 path of bone if he did not already have it. He then uses melee master and his 1 remaining action to kill an additional model and gain hunpo assault then trigger it. If he kills 3 or more models he becomes def 7 and is already a spirit so its unlikely he dies to whatever is left. Now Clement is that clear enough for you? D-A-C are you suitably convinced it is possible? Or are you going to go on insisting it doesn't work like every body did before the lilitu and nekima attack was cuddled. I'm sorry that you consider me being able to hit my opponents minions with a master to be ridiculous. But do please go on and pick this apart to your hearts content and ask for further information on any part you wish if it is not unclear (I did not feel it would be correct to introduce an idea then force readers to go through the whole thing in the same post). And do make sure to throw the word impossible in a few more times in your next post.
  8. To cover VeZuri's objections Yan Lo can easily gain the chi required from killing dogs. Using the Datsueba allows 2 of these dogs to become gaki thanks to weigh sins. Using a student of conflict to give yan lo fast and then killing it also furthers this goal. As for trekking accross the board the combination of chiaki a flesh construct and the datsueba's 0 action guide spirits gets you 19 inches out a mere 5 from the enemy deployment zone. from there you can use yan lo's casting expert to weight of ages an opponent then charge them with fragile bonds. From here you swish the enemy with your melee master gaining hunpo assault if you did not already have it. And for survivability the act of killing the enemies models gains me chi. Having done all this my opponents crew consisting of models that either survived yan lo's attacks or stood more than 2 inches away are faced with a defense 7 spirit with use soulstones and 10 wounds. To answer to Gruesome I have two factors that attribute to this not being used. 1. Yan Lo is very odd. Its incredibly likely that they did not realise how easily he can assemble the chi for his high end abilities and that he could be presented to the enemy on turn 1 in order to use hun po assault before the opponent has a chance to spread out. 2. I find that malifaux players are more than willing to pretend that broken things do not exist. Think how long it took for the lilitu nekima combo to be cuddled. I'm not saying this is a the same level but I'd wager its a good deal more powerful than originally intended. And finally His Fattness, the number of activations required is certainly immaterial to this. All the dogs and such spend so long hitting each other that your opponent will likely have run out of activation long before they realise what is going on. As for spacing out their team, yes this provides some defence but you simply strike in either the place with the most targets or the place with the best models. When you are done the opponent will have a significant portion of their crew missing and very little left to assault the now relatively hard to injure yan lo I have already described. Why is it so hard to imagine a model in a serious game gaining melee master and reaching the opposing side of the board in order to kill off some of their best models?
  9. Nope. I just don't want the border between broken and just very good to be clouded too much. I was just suggesting a list that has a greater chance of victory.
  10. Well actually its far easier than it appears to put Yan Lo down all the paths. you begin with 3 chi points from stones then it requires 3 kills to get path of bone 4. with an additional 5 kills you get spirit 3. All this is easily achieveable before you reach the opponent on turn 1. You just have to be willing to pay a certain number of models to do it. And this is more than repaid once you get to your enemy with hunpo assault and melee master. Once you get to the hun po assaulting the enemy you will quickly rack up the chi needed to grab up your defensive options. DBOP is my own special acronym for Dumb Broken Over-Powered. It is reserved especially for lists that are capable of getting to you and killing a significant portion of your crew on turn 1. The reason I refer to them as killing the enemy for free is that they kill so many models that your opponent has very little left with which to attempt to kill these over extended models and the models typically have very strong defences anyway. I hope that clears things up a bit.
  11. So your opponent was holding neither masks nor rams of any sort?
  12. Kill the duet before it gains use soulstones. Alternatively simply play another DBOP master and kill all their stuff for fre. The lady j delivery system or panda come to mind. It is interesting that you play Yan Lo seeing as he gets to alpha strike in a way colette cant even compare to. His hun po assault kills all the things.
  13. Your rasputina list is severely lacking in dumb broken over poweredness (DBOP) which is the main currency of malifaux. By a coryphee duet win games for free with you ridiculous use soulstones minion. Also so far the only truly overpowered list used against you has been pandora. The rest you can beat by defending yourself appropriately against tricks. It just takes some time and reading around to know what those tricks are. I would consider a list more like: 2 coryphee 14pts 1 mechanical rider 8pts 1 essence 2pts 1 silent one 6pts This only comes to 30 points though. Gives you lots of offensive power and doesn't put the whole game on tina's shoulders.
  14. There is a Yan Lo list where you get to just kill a significant portion (or maybe all) of the enemy crew on turn one inside of their deployment zone. You will need: 1 chiaki 5 1 flesh construct 7 4 dogs 8 1 datsue-ba 7 1 student of conflict 4 Then you launch forward a yan lo with fast using chiaki, the flesh contruct and datsue-ba. This will put yan lo 5 inches from the enemy deployment zone. After killing the dogs and the student plus the two gaki you can make with the datsue-ba's weigh sins you will have 10 chi points. This gives you path of sirit 3 and path of bone 3. Ypui then weight of ages the enemy to deal damage and fragile bonds at them. You need kill only one model to get path of bone 4 and then trigger hun po assault to kill all their guys. Then you have won the game.
  15. All ten thunders masters have access to a movement trick to get to opposing crew on turn 1. Using Mr graves, a wastrel with petrified feather and a torakage you get to place your master within 8 inches of the enemy deployment zone. With a student to give fast you can go mangle a significant portion of their crew and there's not a whole lot they can do about it. Both misaki and mei feng can do significant damage with their attacks (mei has whirlwind) and they are Df7 so they probably wont die from this.
  16. Using only the mechanical rider coryphee duet and her totem mei feng gets to your side of the board and whirlwinds half your crew to death. So yeah I'd say all 3 of those are viable choices for her. The same is also true of 3 constructs plus a student of conflict to give her fast.
  17. The ressurectionists were one of the two factions that did not include a broken over powered master capable of killing a significant portion of your team in your deployment zone on turn 1. Until Yan Lo was introduced. He gets to your deployment zone on turn 1 and then uses hunpo assault and kills everything within 2 inches of him. Getting to your face on turn 1 was fine when mcmorning did it because he killed your master..... maybe. He didn't kill your whole squad.
  18. There is a Yan Lo list where you get to just kill a significant portion (or maybe all) of the enemy crew on turn one inside of their deployment zone. You will need: 1 chiaki 5 1 flesh construct 7 4 dogs 8 1 datsue-ba 7 1 student of conflict 4 Then you launch forward a yan lo with fast using chiaki, the flesh contruct and datsue-ba. This will put yan lo 5 inches from the enemy deployment zone. After killing the dogs and the student plus the two gaki you can make with the datsue-ba's weigh sins you will have 10 chi points. This gives you path of sirit 3 and path of bone 3. Ypui then weight of ages the enemy to deal damage and fragile bonds at them. You need kill only one model to get path of bone 4 and then trigger hun po assault to kill all their guys. Then you have won the game.
  19. On the subject of broken or not models have been able to get to the opponents side of the field and do damage since book 1. Its a bit unfair but it has always been in the game.
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