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it's pretty rare nerfs feel good. wyrd doesn't really care to buff much. tbh the game from what i've seen is dead.  m2e was the height of malifux 

i think it's okay to have seamus be really strong. Seems thematic too. He's just a psychopath that screws and murders and raises street walkers. Dude doesn't have a "crew". makes sense that he would be a apex strong master and just have a bunch of loosely related weak zombie hookers to support him. 

I want moar 

me too, that's just not what I want

I don't think iggy is what I'm looking for, or the emissary. just something that can basically drop a hungry land for a TN and then lure/Slide people into it. or maybe a Woe that counts as hazardous when people move though it

I  was thinking how nice it would be to have a cheaper /less frustrating source of hazardous terrain to use in addition or in place of the mysterious emissary with pandora1/2. Especially if you wanna go heavy on pings+push, you really need that hazardous. Unfortunetly the emissary and the rider both eat up almost 3 lyssa worth of points. If there was some sorta thematic woe that created cheap hazardous that you could pinball a model around through it with all your woes, I think that would really unlock a fun aspect of the keyword. As it is , with pings it's tough to bring down high hp models let alone anything with regen or a excess of healing. Especially these people out here running low river monk and annoying garbage like that

My honest opinion without pulling any punches is that it's gonna be some unfinished garbage like halfbloods, and all these other little 1/4 finished keywords. i hope that's not right, but that's what my intuition tells me.

that's another reason to me, it's like you already changed 2-3 erratas worth of models, the deck is useless at that point.  anything good isn't 50-60% complete. why bother at that point. I like cards a lot too, because they are right there in front of you, nothing has to load up, you don't have to search for anything. I think that's just done though. nobody is playing like that, even games workshop and warmachine have apps now. a smart phone that runs the app is 50 bucks brand new at wal mart for att prepaid. that's not even a used phone that you could install the app on

It's a tough situation for sure, like I've long , long ago given up on buying all these new cards for 3 factions. But hands down, i'll take a bigger pool of models to use than un-updated cardboard.

I wasn't calling you  a yes man, only saying I couldn't be one of those people. you are right there with me on the front lines . you just speak more eloquently than me.

I can't be one of these yes men to wyrd. If I see something I don't agree with, i'm gonna speak up

it's like people who won't say black lives matter. It's okay to just say, it doesn't take 3 years to fix molemen. Full stop. it just doesn't

the thing is we are the number one go to source on gettings ideas to change stuff , even if we have no idea what we are talking about. I could have mouthed off 20 models that sucked balls month 1 of third edition, molemen etc. had no idea how to fix them or why exactly they are so awful, only that they weren't up to par. To me it makes sense just to rip the band aid off instead of doing all this and that and dragging it out. just fix the stuff that's blatantly awful and the people who aren't connected to the internet in 2022 but can afford to buy expensive plastic toys and rule books, can just play with the old rules. 

I pretty much play 99% of the time on vassal. ain't nobody on vassal playing casual lol

Not really, still holds true. Molemen have been probably one of the worst models in the game since the start of the edition, and didn't get touched till now. definitely didn't need to take this long to change right? what do you say mycelium

The errata was amazing, and you are all welcome. Now if we can only convince them to expand the buffs, so other models like molemen and bultungin get played while there is more than a year left in the edition. 

I honestly don't think Lucius2 is stronger  than lucius1. I actually  think he's objectively  worse. But the point is it didn't mix up the old crews. Lucius1 still uses the exact same models .

People will defend Euri all day. Nobody will show you a YouTube video where euri is beating axel on Tara tho. Or legislat on any guild master. That's really  all I can say. People will defend stuff all day long but have no examples. It's all just opinion. Which is my whole post btw.

They just need to take the riot games approach where they put limits on what they wanna see. Something in league has a 54+ percent win rate, automatically triggers a team meeting to assign a small nerf, nothing changes, next patch another nerf. Same with under a certain percent.  I think if you look at stuff in tournaments, the app, what people are saying. you can put together a list of dozens and dozens of models that are just functionally dead at every ss value

I almost knew pandora2 was gonna summon due to how bad I felt woe minions were. I was like, these are literally only good if you could pay for them with a card and a AP. I even said it in discord before they previewed her

I don't know statistically. I can only speak from neverborn's point of view. From my Side nothing like that really happened. Kirai2 is broken though, and nobody is really hiring gaki, just summoning them, because it's overwhelmingly easy to do so. same with pistoleros. neverborn didn't really get anything like that, except maybe pandora2 summoning, but even that's kind of eh. They took a really lackluster approach of just making bad models summonable in a few cases from what I could tell

I hate to even praise warmachine, But i'm pretty sure they changed damn near every unit in the game

It's all good if you abandon ship and join the dreamer2 train, but if you are still trying to make molemen work, it's like your still in the same spot as when m3e came out. That's incredibly lazy in my book

maybe my point and my wording don't really coincide that well

That's true, I had hoped with the shared models it would shake up the current stuff a lot more, but the shared models are all pretty mediocre. That combined with a really tame and limited errata, the old stuff is pretty stale

The new book didn't really do anything to change the old game, just added to it