Fulgrima

Marcus, we all love him no matter how maligned he is and how often we are told that he isn’t that great we have to admit that he is still the greatest Malifaux master that there is

So I propose that we create Team Marcus so that we can all get together and show our support for the one and only Marcus I hope to be able to produce a T-Shirt but don't want to step on Wyrd's toes so I am checking wether that is gonna be cool. If I can I will make 0 profit from those shirts its not about making any money from it

There are no strict entry requirements for becoming a member of Team Marcus I just ask that you have used and love Marcus. If you want to be a member then add your name to this post and you will be assigned a squad number if you have a preference that is available then please specify it and it shall be yours all numbers are first come first served.

Going forward the principle of Team Marcus is that we promote Malifaux and of course promote Marcus to the masses. If you enter a tournament, run an event or just play at your club wear your Team Marcus shirt with pride take a photo and add it to the thread. If you go somewhere exotic or exciting wear your Team Marcus shirt to show the love and take the word of Marcus to the world. But at the core of Team Marcus its all about playing Malifaux and having fun.

I would take a Shikome as they hit their prey hard and would be concerned with the Silurids as when you loose one the other will start to take wounds.

Looks like it will be fun

I normally have an idea of what I want to use before I go into a game but I may make some tweaks however I don't normally tailor a force completely. I do like to try some non optimal builds just to get an idea of what they can do in different situations.

After having our first intro last week we have two more people coming along tomorrow but if anyone else would like to attend you are more than welcome

Unfortunately I wont be able to attend this one however I hope its a massive success and I can make the 2nd Bristol Tournament

Honestly I would say get him because he is the bestest ever but if you don't like the model then its best not to as you will get less enjoyment out of it. Its always best to go model first and it sounds like you are not a fan of most of them.

However he does have massive variety in what you can take with him with all the beasts from any faction but don't forget you still have access to the normal arcanist goodness like coryphee.

I think you have the only solution there that if two ranked players were to play each other it would always count as a ranked game. Which makes it a bit more of a genreal opt in/opt out system I think.

If I was playing against a new crew for the first time I would ask my opponent politely to explain what each of his models are doing, and ask to read the card. I don't think anyone would take offence if you asked to read their card so that you could get a grasp of what his models are capable of.

Is my post the right answer? Maybe not. Is it right in any way at all? Maybe not. Does the problem exist at all? Maybe not. Did I deserve the courtesy of discussion without people resorting to name calling and insults? I'd have hoped so.

Honestly I think you have been a bit precious their, opinions have been expressed that are not the same as yours and I don't feel that there has been any name calling. A ranking systems discussion goes hand in hand with wether we should have rankings at all that is why I feel the discussion went in this direction.

As for constructive criticism on your system I say again I like it as a system but I feel it a bit over complicated. I do not see however how it would stop ABCMan destroying the hobby gamer anyhow as I would think that the people going in to win tournaments and those most concerned with the rankings would be the same people. Anyone that just looks at rankings as a curiosity will not be bothered anyhow really and just play their games.

I also think that some of those at the top will try and game the system by claiming that their game was for fun when they meet another top player and make the ranking ineligible. How would you solve this problem? Could one person petition that it had to be counted after the game has occurred?

I love the way certain people argue in such broad brush strokes. This isn't about the GT which is a competitive event by its very nature, and I think it's clear it never has been.

Even taking the GT out of it we are still talking about tournaments are they not all competitive by nature? They are a tournament. I think you are trying to invent some sort of imaginary event to prove a point to be honest.

We are just going around in circles there is however I feel one clear point rankings will not make someone into a douche they already are with rankings or without.

But there's a difference between a "ranked event" and a "tournament" - a lot of tournament attendees are there for the fun/social side. WIth the proposed "ranked event" system you'd lose this, with a "ranked game" system you'd preserve this as for the non-ranked players it would be no different to as if the rankings didn't exist.

I'm sorry but that is just nonsense, you honestly think that if lets say the GT this year has rankings involved it will have a completely different feel to the GT last year?

Personally I have more faith in this community.

People want to hardcore win, fair enough. Apparently I go to a tournament, I should expect competition.

To a certain extent you should as the basis of a tournament is that its a competition there will be a winner and a looser at the end of it.

Back on topic I do like the principle of the system that you present Magic but I think it will be a little too complicated to implement. My other concern would be for the new person that attends the event whether they may feel awkward in telling someone that they do not wish to play in a ranked match.

Those people who want to compare ranking sizes are free to do so without us "casual weekend away having a couple of nice games" sorts getting in the way.

I am one of those nice weekend away people and instead of throwing my toys out of the pram I will still be attending events to have a good time. I hope you do to.

Yes, I agree with you. The question is how do we stop people who can't regulate themselves from ruining the game for other players - that's where I'm coming from.

I don't think there is anyway to stop someone being a douche they will be regardless of what's going on unfortunately. My main idea for levelling the power level of the game is composition but that will derail this thread further and with book 3 imminent we don't know what the general power level of the game will be like in a month. But that's off topic I never got around to it before but will start a thread with my ideas.

I say you in last post but it should be more of a general statement if a player cannot self regulate themselves it doesn't matter what system is implemented there will be the same issues. I also think it should be an all or nothing thing.

1. I'm not saying the concerns are going to happen, I'm saying they're concerns that have been raised and could be valid. As such my post takes these into account - please don't derail this thread with arguments which have been played to death in the linked post (feel free to go over them again in that thread though).

You started a new thread about the essentially the same subject if the original points are not brought up then it will not be a real discussion about this. If you didn't want them brought up again then shouldn't this post be in the original thread.

2. Re the impact on gaming, and this depends on whether you agree that there are players who are competitive in a competitive scenario and not so in others (hint : I'm one of them). If the player is going to field a douche list nothing will stop them, but there are people (myself included) who only "go for the win" in certain situations and at other times are happy to play other lists. If a game against a non-ranking player can affect the ranking player's score then they will approach it different than if the game doesn't affect their score. That's the difference I'm suggesting with a "game" vs "event" mechanic.

I'm sorry if you can't self regulate yourself then its not the fault of any rankings system that will or will not be implemented.

1. A tournament system will lead to power-gaming and super competitive lists.

I still don't see how rankings make this any worse. A tournament is there to win a view point you have expressed yourself in the past.

3. There will be pressure on players to field their "A" game crews all the time to try and increase their points, which means they won't be able to play "fun" crews or take their foot of the gas at certain events.

The only pressure to do that will be from themselves. I certanly will not be going out to buy Haemlin so that I can compete at tournaments.

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The Idea

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In short, the idea is to build the ranking system not on ranked tournaments but on ranked games. This means the score doesn't come from positioning in an event (i.e. 200pts for 1st place, 150pts for second), but that your ranking is adjusted based on the outcome of each game between two ranked players.

For example, lets say a player called "ABCman" is at the UKGT and his first game is against someone enrolled in the ranking system (a "ranked player") - they agree it's a ranked game and the outcome is used in calculation of rankings. They both bring their A game.

ABCman's second game is against someone who doesn't want to be in the ranking system (a "non ranked player") so the game won't count in the ranking system. This means ABCman doesn't need (or there's no pressure) to bring his A game just for rankings (if he's going for a tourny win that's separate) so the non-ranking player won't get steamrolled for ranking points.

Lastly, ABCman's third game is against a ranking player, but ABCman wants to try a "fun" list before he heads home. ABCman veto's the game's ranking eligibility so he can play the game with a "non A game" list without risk of it affecting his ranking.

This idea of "mutual consent" has a huge impact on the issues at hand, and by basing rankings on games rather than "events" you avoid a lot of the concerns that people have about the impact on tournaments etc.

Crucially, it also gives the same benefits that the pro-rankings players have put forward.

The main problem I can see with this system is that people will pick and choose what is a ranked game for them. If they come up against an opponent they don't feel they have much chance against they will decide that it wont be ranked and then the rankings have no meaning at all. Also if one of those feared uber competitive players rocks up to their table and the new person decides that they don't want to be ranked there is still no incentive for them not to beat them as its a tournament. I can't suddenly see people reaching under the table and pulling out there fluffy Tina crew to give their opponent a good game.

Interested but it just depends on when

I mention it for every arcanist master but you can't go wrong with a Coryphee duet they have no synergy with Tina but even at 14ss I don't really think they will ever be a bad buy as they can complete so many schemes and are the most mobile thing in an arcanist force.

If we get a depressed male vampire character with the Marcus werewolf form mabye we could start to recreate twilight and pull in a load of teen girls to the game could make sales sky rocket haha

Get at least 1 Silent One possibly 2.

I think all arcanist masters should be put down as needing a Coryphee Duet

Polite reminder if anyone would like to come along tomorrow, we have at least one victim more would be welcome