Omadon

I could potentially bring 3-4 players from my end? I live in bristol, so it should be easy enough to coordinate ^^ How big a list were you thinking? 35SS maybe?

Seconded. I've been meaning to turn up more, totally rammed at work over christmas D: and I'm possibly the least organized human being on the face of the earth. Will be popping back to Yeovil to orchestrate rescue for some of my lists, as they were all kindof shop property. I'll be damned if I don't get my Levi stuffs back though. Is it still thursdays at cut & thrust where everything happens? should pop down next week if I can get hold of my crap. <3

HUZZAH! Pandora players (and not to mention Colette players) rejoice!

mm, I understand the logic. Probably still going to take Panda anyway. They arent worth proxying - they only function if they're capable of spreading. The important things are getting released in October, which is good. Just leaves me fewer options against swarm lists should they fail to turn up. However, if they do manage to turn up, I'm going to lose alloottt of sleep painting enough to cover the number I could potentially spawn D:

Quick question, again involving proxies. Alps are due to be physically released in november, and only function as models without any kind of cap on how many can be summoned, and weather or not I can play them weighs heavily on what list I play, and I need to give you my core list before I know if they're going to come out before or after the 20th. Will it be possible to proxy without restriction if they simply do not get delivered until later in the month?

Levi's main list is pretty much set in stone. Only situations I'd avoid taking a set of SPAs is against heavy AoE masters like Sonnia, in which case running them is just asking to lose 12 points at the click of a finger. Jack is fantastic, especially with his interaction between Arcane Resevoir and Levi's resurrection mechanic. Him and Alyce have you drawing 9 cards on turn one ^^ Not quite sure where to go myself beyond these models. Just waiting on ashes for the forseeable future. Levi on his own is a total powerhouse, you just really need to get to grips with when you should and should not plan to die.

Right, in the spirit of getting this debate back on track. Due to how blatantly awesome he is, I'd be tempted to drop a few models to fit in Ashes & Dust, who, tbh - you could proxie as an honourary Death in the four horsemen group, have the core as him dismounted, and the dust as his horse ^^). Not sure what I'd take out though D:

MOAR EDITING: Right. To those of you who saw the original post I made - pardon me, if you will. Have had a looong morning. That said, on a slightly constructive note, while feel that the game is better at lower points, why do you choose to share this here? I agree with you that if oppinions that ran against the grain of what the OP had in mind werent permitted, then we'd have issues. However - please try to bare in mind the context here. A different oppinion would be "No, that list is pants - try X/Y/Z". It's like walking into a game debating strategies for one game, and saying this game is bad, try this one instead. So - what your saying is by all means a valid oppinion, just, thoroughly out of context to the debate at hand. Hope that gets my point across with less ranting involved ^^

well, I should be about thursday with any luck. Working in Yeovil makes it kindof awkward, but we shall see what we can do ^^

Were you one of the guys I was teaching last friday? Regardless - welcome! If I didn't see you friday, I'm more than likley to pop up on some kind of thursday night at some point ^^

Simply put - trapping something in Severed Ties and then hitting it with Philosophy of Uncertainty from one of Molly's totems is about the lamest thing in the universe. Furthermore - you've got alot of ways to reposition him/other models into him with Belles running around with Wk8, so - I think yes. Turns it into a game of getting someone in the aura and then just bloody killing them with a totem/shot from Seamus. Furthermore, not being able to cheat when something has an effective terrifying of 15 is horrible. He's less good against people with lots of constructs, but - still, having him as an option rocks.

I'm saying this because you've got 6 WP, and you're going to flip at a minimum a one from the initial flip, and then you only need a 5 off the soulstone. 6+1+5=12. Furthermore, if the dreamer manages to walk up to you, and spawn them exactly where you don't want them, activate one of the sisters and drag the scary one out of range of exhaustion - clearly, because of the situation you've created for this debate, they're all stood next to eachother, and any of them that you get within 2" of the swordmistress will, unless you fail on some catastrophic level with flips, instagib from a single hit. Even if you need to be in range of an exhaustion or two, just target the closest first to thin out exhaustion, and every time you do this - you're drawing cards. tbh, wrapping the viktorias in alps is giving them free kills, nothing more. Also. When you played against them the first time, did you ask to read what your opponents models could do? or did you just run dogs at them and pray? And why would you run dogs at people anyway? they're free corpses! You don't Attack people with them! You use them as fodder and then turn them into samurai/peiced together beast! Most agressive thing you do with them is use them for their -Df gang up thing. Against the dreamer, stand back, don't feed him models, and paste him with decay. Soon as LCB shows himself, you chain-paralize him, and keep him there for the rest of the game. Also - just, if you worry about him dropping alps - activate dogs until he does. just flood him with pointless activations and don't move in on the dreamer until he's either activated and not emptied his reserves onto the table, or has. Then, and only then - start throwing spells at him with Nico. Not before. The dreamer starts out with an enormous activation dissadvantage, and abusing that is key to beating him.

Um, right. I only need the gist of what timelapse is saying to respond to this. You're using the viktorias as an example here? Ooo-Kaay. So, the smother thing gives you - a million flips on the initial flip, but that doesn't pass over to soulstones, so flipping a 5 saves you from that, and then the only thing you need to worry about is exhaustion, and that only matters if they've wrapped all of them around one model. That said - whichever viktoria isn't in gets a free charge and then proceeds to murder the entire pack. 4 Df and 3Wd, your min kills them, and your melee range puts you outside of exhaustion. LCB is, and always will be, a total glass-cannon. Sure - whatever he spawns on dies, but McMorning one-shots him, So does levi. Any solid melee based master can tear him apart. He's DF4 Wd10. He's probably the squishest master in the game, as anybody else with those stats has some kind of bizzare escape mechanism involved. He just takes it to the face. Furthermore - due to the way he has to spawn things, it's sooooo easy to out-activate him early game. Goad the dreamers activations, and then he has the choice of either spawning stuff to keep up with you, or not, and as soon as he elects to not while you have models in range of doing things, you've got free reign to do as you please to him. If he spawns things further up the board, then they're less of a surprize. Also, in regards to alps being broke, I really don't see it. Furthermore - anybody who claims they're worse than old sorrows clearly never played against a real panda list. tbh - they're pretty much balanced. Only particularly nasty part is exhaustion, and that doesn't even trigger never wake up. 4Df and Wd3 is appropriate for their cost, and any master worth it's salt will murder 3-4 of them in an action due to how closly they need to be placed together to function. Only way to prevent a master doing this is drowning them in them, and then you just charge them with another bloody model. 2" melee range > exhaustion. I don't mean to sound callous, but. seriously. if you're losing to lists full of alps, you aren't trying hard enough. I can't think of a master that doesn't have some kind of out to them.

Right, sorted there. Caleb "Omadon" Shaw, Mike Shaw and Jay "Kharnac" Stone.

mm, to be honest, I think teddy is pretty pants for his cost. too squishy. Especially if you're worried about Neverborn - H2W 2 doesn't mean jack if you've only got 9Wd. However - I am a huge fan of Jack with Levi. All of his card-draw makes Jack basically indestructable. I'd have him over Teddy any day. Hell - just lock a mature in combat with him and keep him there. See how useful it is when it can't get out of combat. Furthermore - even if he can. I don't believe Lilith has any magic attacks ^^ Best she can do is transposition him somewhere useless and leave him there - which I suppose is a big deal. Probably best off taking Molly now that she's around. Really liking the idea of extentioning a Philosophy of Uncertainty through her totem at a mature